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    There is work available in the industry it's a matter of finding it through network. There is work available from the range of 10-40 an hour it's a matter of being in the right circles. I think of it like this. I have my experience (although in the states) I'm not going to give away my experience for free. I have a guy that I know that used to be my mate. We had coffee one day and we were discussing the industry and how to improve business. The guy took what I told him, published it and passed it out to his clients. Unknown to me the guy was recording our discussion. Lesson learned. Even with people you know you have to be careful about what you say. It's a cut throat industry and everyone has a big list of ds, sg, cp who are willing to work for "it's a wage" and take the bare minimum.

    The jobcentre has done us no favours in sending these people to courses. As this has created a bottom feed of people with no experience and willing to work for almost nothing. So for the moment we have what we have. I say to people "yes you can get security guards for the lowest price", at the time you need to know what security you have is not when things go wrong. I'd hate to see how they would respond in an emergency. I can answer that in two words "they won't". In the end you get what you pay for.

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    Fully concur with you there Tapmaster.
    Standards, reputation and good networking will secure you top dollar/pound.
    But the sad state of the industry, it's pay and standards have to be addressed.
    It's an industry need, not a personal need.
    The best way in my opinion is to be organised under a banner of a union.
    Not a union that says mite is rite, no matter what, but one that understands standards and expectations are as much an employers rite, as it is the employees.
    I think The NSWU is that body, led by Rollo.
    The SIA standard, as applied by the TP and firms is pitiful.
    If they won't address the obvious problem then we should.
    I'm hoping the NSWU will be part Rich Hs guild and part representative union.
    For christ's sake I'm not even a member !
    But I believe it's time to act, and Rollo has taken the step forward.
    Talk to him, read his agenda (it's selfless) and hopefully give him your support.

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    I agree that a union that is part of the Guild that RichH speaks about is the way forward. The standards of the SIA were of course minimum but the number of providers who offer 900 quid courses where they Guarantee a pass has not helped the industry. The greater needs of the industry have been ignored for the sake of getting people back to work. Let's face it you can put a man in a guards uniform. But, not everyone can be a security guard, door supervisor or close protection operative. There was a time that the security was the most trusted person now it's a matter of "its a wage" or the "lowest common denominator". I'm sure there are some who went to the door supervisor course may be able to do the job and do it well. I'd venture to say that the biggest number are unemployed for a reason.

    The SIA and the one license was sold as the gold ticket or the winning lottery ticket for work. As you could move about and work with that one license for the whole of the country. this gold ticket brought in a lot of people and the number of training providers teaching the course are so many that it can't be counted. When I came here in 2003 there were a few providers that you could name on one hand or at the most half the second. Now they are everywhere. With a Guarantee pass! or We "Guarantee a job".

    We need this Guild and representative union now and I am willing to help in any way to make it happen.

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    The new lads get 8 with the company I work for

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    Quote Originally Posted by mackem64 View Post
    The new lads get 8 with the company I work for
    How much do OAPs get then Mackem ?

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    You little tease

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