Thanks for the reply, the trouble is mate they wont allow me to explain anything or prove to them that it was just a blip and that i am different now. A solicitor has quoted me three grand mate, there is no way i can pay that. I have sent the sia an email trying to explain all this to see if they will reconsider my application. The company that i was going to work for will deploy me if there is an ongoing appeal, i just cant afford to get one going.
You seem like a genuine chap and if this is the case I would help you out with some of the expenses if others will also be prepared to do the same. It could be done through the moderators if it was ok with them. I would hate to see a guy with your service record and background (wife and family etc) losing out on employment because of a minor indiscretion when younger. You are being treated unfairly by the SIA in my view.
Somewhere in the not too distant past, we had a Barrister join the forum, I'll see f I can PM him.
Cant find his ID, I've asked around, lets see if we get a result (If he was legit !)
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''Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.” Robert Heinlein.
Have they given you a Minded to Refuse or a straight No? If it is a minded to refuse they give you 28 days to get together all your supporting evidence (references, if you do any voluntary work and things like that mate). I was given a Minded to Refuse so they gave me 28 days to reply etc. I sent more references, letters etc. They still refused me and gave me another 28 days for more stuff etc. Which i gave them. They then said the stuff i had submitted did not prove i was a reformed character. I'm like you ex sergeant, young family etc.
So i wrote to my local MP who wrote me a letter and also sent one to the sia stating why they should allow me a badge. He also stated that all the people in his area etc were behind me. The only other thing i can suggest is write to your MP sending him references so he can see what type of a bloke you are mate. Then they will fight alongside you or should do. The trouble is mate because you were a serving squaddie when you got in trouble, civvy courts punish you more than if you was a druggie on the streets. Same with me ,i was crucified by a civvy judge because of my profession. Don't give up mate because they want you to do that. If you need any more info etc just ask mate because you have a moral right to have your badge to be able to provide for your family.
Thanks very much for keeping intouch, im still no better off. Im waiting for a call back from the magistrates as i am considering representing myself in court to try and cut the costs. I have spoken to the SIA again and they have said that the criteria they set is all they go by and there are no exceptions regardless of who you are or what you have done. I have also written to my local mp and i am waiting for a reply. I have explained everything to the SIA ie, family to support etc and the girl on the phone said that its not their problem. I wish i could get someone with a bit of weight behind them on my side. All i need is the opportunity to put my case across without it costing thousands of pounds.
If a barrister is on here i would really appreciate some advice. Once again lads you have been a great help and its just good to talk to someone about it, cheers.
That is a really generous offer mate but there is no way i could let you do that, i couldnt take money you. An ideal situation would be to find someone that would represent me for free!! but the chances of that happen are non existant. I have even enquired about signing back on just to get some stability back but with the cuts the army are facing its a no go. 1
The offer is there Bucks. I was in the Irish military Bucks and wouldn't know about how the British military work in terms of getting a reference from a Commanding Officer but would it be possible to get an officer to contact the SIA?. I know in Ireland they do hold a fair bit of weight in that respect. You are in a very tough situation but if I was you I would fight it. As one of the forum members said, it is a very sad day when someone who serves their country cannot get a licence to operate in the security sector, especially when you have done incredibly well. I would imagine, like the rest of us, the people on the SIA panel are no angels. They also seem to lack common sense. Red tape rubbish, very annoying. Anyway if I can help out let me know.
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Been on the phone most of the day!! no good news at all. The legal advisor at the magistrates has said that the judge will sie with the SIA no matter what i have done in the last four years or where i am now in my life. So i think with only five weeks left in the army i need to turn my attentions to something else. I have been put onto a couple of maritime companies that dont require an sia licence but do require a crb check so i might see if i can get any work there until i can apply for my licence again. Not good.
That is disappointing news. Do not become discouraged. When one door closes another opens.
Does anyone know any companies hiring overseas without an sia licence, i know its not a legal requirement abroad yet but the companies like you to have them. I can provide a crb check so they can see my record themselves. I know they are out there but its about who you know.