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    Received a generic email from Simon K of Anubis stating that Anubis Training & Operations had ceased trading as off 12 August. Sad news for sure as there were some really professional guys working there. The CSC will continue he says albeit in a revised format. The course notes will be released in electronic format which is great news as I had to scan mine-carrying the huge folders around (particularly when working abroad) simply wasn't practical.
    What will become of the qualification itself though? Will it lose it's reputation? I seriously hope not as I and many others spent a large amount of money to attend the course as part of our professional development.
    What are the thoughts on this occurrence? Hopefully some of the regular posters here that are connected to CSC will be able to shed some light on this. It's a great course which has helped me considerably so I would hate for it to not be recognised as much as SMCC etc. Once again a great shame and I wish all the Anubis staff well in finding their next ventures.
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    I don't think either the CSC nor the SMCC have become 'recognised' in the wider industry at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standeasy View Post
    I don't think either the CSC nor the SMCC have become 'recognised' in the wider industry at all.
    The course is recognised as earning successful completers academic credits at Level 5. It is recognised as a programme that evidences knowledge and understanding of key areas of security management that are essential elements of consultancy skill. It is recognised as having been devised and delivered by knowledgeable, professional, diligent and qualified people. It is accredited and moderated in detail by the University, and recognised as an entry point into further programmes. As a differentiator between two candidates for a role it provides the confidence and knowledge in process and subject detail that enhances experience; any sensible employer should recognise that.

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    Archie,
    I don't disagree with anything you have written with regard to your description of the course and its instructors (I completed it several years ago). However, you have described a self-licking ice cream. It is 'recognised' by Bucks New Uni, of course it is, it is a means of gaining more students for more courses, hence more income for the providers. Now show me any company in the security industry that recognises it. Try Googling it and finding any connection with actual work opportunity openings. You tempered your last sentence with the word 'sensible' which, for me, is telling in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standeasy View Post
    Archie,
    I don't disagree with anything you have written with regard to your description of the course and its instructors (I completed it several years ago). However, you have described a self-licking ice cream. It is 'recognised' by Bucks New Uni, of course it is, it is a means of gaining more students for more courses, hence more income for the providers. Now show me any company in the security industry that recognises it. Try Googling it and finding any connection with actual work opportunity openings. You tempered your last sentence with the word 'sensible' which, for me, is telling in itself.
    The CSC is accredited by the University, which means that it earns credits. Of course it is a route into University programmes, but it doesn't generate huge income at all. It does give an opportunity for development of the industry and that is the reason for the accreditation; if there was an income priority there would be much higher fees set for the courses that it allows people to access. And I would contend that any sensible employer recognises the ambition and objective for self improvement that programmes like this evidence.

    Of course, there is another option, which is to do something else. You will Google all day long and fail to find any stipulation for this as a specific job requirement - it will differentiate between those who have expanded their repertoire and those who haven't. That is sensible.
    I do a lot of interviews and differentiators are important. In a busy and competitive market even more so.

    Finally, I am pretty certain that this course will survive in some form. In my opinion, there is a need for it. I'll ask some employers directly and find out if they agree.

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    An interesting discussion. If the said company has gone bust and they are the owners of the accreditation, what happens now that the company is in liquidation? Who is the new owner of the course and who is teaching it, just out of interest as this I would have thought would have some affect on it especially as the two owners have gone bust in a short period of time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodhound View Post
    An interesting discussion. If the said company has gone bust and they are the owners of the accreditation, what happens now that the company is in liquidation? Who is the new owner of the course and who is teaching it, just out of interest as this I would have thought would have some affect on it especially as the two owners have gone bust in a short period of time?
    Bucks New University now owns the course in toto. I recruited the main tutor as a Senior Lecturer and purchased the course IP. The programme retains its content and academic credits and we are delivering the Module that was not able to be completed when Anubis went into liquidation, honouring those who paid for their courses and keeping the price down for those who needed to complete to obtain the credits and designation.

    CSC is now part of our wider security and resilience portfolio, offering a route for learners to complete it as a standalone or as a route to full degree programmes. It is a good programme that has and will continue to provide a level of security and related management knowledge and introduce learners to the rigours of precise planning, writing and communication.

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    Thanks Archie for responding. Must be more reassuring for future and previous students now that is it is owned by a Uni rather than a private small training company, especially when the same name has gone bust twice in a short time frame which is always a concern. So a positive outcome from a very negative one - good to read.

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