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Aikido or Judo? Door Supervisor

alexaldred

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Hello, Ive just got a job working on the door of a nightclub (in the uk) I appreciate that your words are your best weapon, and that you cant use violence, but as im only slim built, I feel I may need some assistance.
I have been looking at Aikido and Judo, mainly for the defence tactics (the aim not being to hurt the opponent) and other reasons like, pressure points, and stand up grapping, might be useful in removing a heavier stronger person. Which style do you recommend? I know JJJ and BJJ are good, but I would rather learn something that wont get me into trouble! All advice would be great! Thanks!
 

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Hello Alex... firstly mate I have never and will never work the doors... but I do have some understanding of self-defence. I studied Judo, fought or played for London, Aikido.. mainly for deployments across the water, standard training for Brit Mil at the time, I am a Boxing coach and at present I engage with 'CAM': Counter Attack, Mode, Method and Momentum... here is a few snippets for you from one of our Firm's training manuals:

‘CAM’ Discipline for Defensive Combat
CAM©
• Counter attack – Mode - Method – Momentum

A street attack is not a contest with rules. It is a life-changing event, the trophy is your life and the defence value or aim is:

We'll skip this part..............................

Principles of Unarmed Combat
• Somewhere, someone is training to hurt another human being.
• Self-Defence is not a choice - it's a responsibility.
• There's more than one type of attack and attacker.
• If you must fight, learn to fight "smarter" not harder.
• Your body knows how to defend itself instinctively.
• Situation dependent you can have a favourite technique.
• Rely on and engage with your strengths.
• Emotions, not logic, will rule the day. (A will to survive)
• You will defend yourself as you have trained... “Train hard, fight easy”.
• The more options you have for any attack, the greater your chances of surviving.
• If you want to survive, you must be ‘ABLE’ to hurt another human being.
• The one who has nothing must prepare against the attacker; the one who has much makes the attacker prepare against him... “Be prepared”
• Against those skilled in attack, an adversary does not know where to defend; against an expert in defence, an adversary does not know where to attack...
[Some removed]


Trust this helps...

CD
 

colonel45155

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CD has put up a very informative post but you have to know your own abilities. A little bit of information is dangerous and if you can't back it up you're in trouble.

Your best form of attack on the doors is diffusion, dont know if theres a Japanese word for that. It's all good being able to handle yourself but remember the old saying that "there's always someone better" That is true. I've seen a few situations turn bad and I've also seen the smallest fella taking out a 'bouncer' he's the wee MMA wannabe fecker standing at the end of the bar with something to prove, drinking water waiting to try on the door staff.

Don't get me wrong, there are times when ejections are needed and God knows there are many of mine that 'accidentally' hit their head on the cigarette machine as I was escorting them out kicking and screaming........... But always take the easy way first, there's no one going to ask to see your black belt in Oregami when the shit hits the fan.

In short, your best means of self defence is your brain. Maybe you should do a few weeks on the doors and you will be able to answer your own question.

Good luck buddy.

Source... I'm a black belt in Karaoke ;)
 
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colonel45155

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I've just remembered a video that might be of interest, this should be in the humour/joke section and i'm sure many here have seen it but here it is for you. It's legendary. Michael Kuhr on the doors.


Bouncer (kickbox world champion) vs loudmouth - Vol. 01 - YouTube

He could have knocked the punter out but he didn't, he didn't need to. Look at the bigger picture, maybe the guy had a bus load with him, he obviously didn't but that situation was handled perfectly.
 
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Alex,

I enjoy aikido, the grips and grasps are very useful, that said I have been trained in judo and boxing.
On the doors lots of incidents end up on the ground, for many reasons!
The best advice I can offer is, take on board Carl's post and be prepared, be better than the opponent.

Regards

premier


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colonel45155

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Alex,

I enjoy aikido, the grips and grasps are very useful, that said I have been trained in judo and boxing.
On the doors lots of incidents end up on the ground, for many reasons!
The best advice I can offer is, take on board Carl's post and be prepared, be better than the opponent.

Regards

premier


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Of course you're right but I'm guessing that we have someone here who wants to learn martial arts AFTER he's got a job, a jacket filler if you will. Why get the job and then ask how to do it? He wouldn't be my right hand man. I think he's putting the cart before the horse!

And if you disagree I'll take you on at Karaoke m8 ;)
 
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colonel45155

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Just back from Gleneagles and was in the bar, yep I was up in the bar singing my worst Johnnie cash impression, oops lol. After a few pints of lager I really thought it was good, sadly others didn't agree...
 

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You'll learn what you need to learn on the job. Don't over-think or over-engineer it, just watch and learn from the experienced guys and you'll figure out what works for you as you go.

I took years of martial arts training with me to the door and it counted for jack shit. It was a very valuable experience because it completely changed my view of what is worthwhile in combative arts, the answer being a very small percentage.

Judo is definitely worthwhile, you spend your training time working against a resisting opponent in an alive format, which is the only honest way to prepare for violence.
 

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Judo is a great real world art. Many of the throws are gross motor movement techniques so they will come naturally when adrenalibne is dumped into your system.
 

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Hi Alex
I dont know what part of the country you are from,but im a Door Supervisor Trainer.
When you did your course i presume that you did physical intervention,the reason you have to do this is to keep on the right side of the law.
I understand where you are coming from if you get into a fight what do you do ?
Well i teach what is called Advanced physical intervention as an extra course add on, this is derived from the art of Tia jut sui.
The course has been designed mainly for the security industry and shows you how to deal with more serious situations.
Further more you also get a certificate from the awarding body which shows that you have been examined in the techniques and passed...This will then allow you to use the advanced techniques without fear of prosecution as long as you dont deviate from the techniques that you were taught.
Maybe speak to your training provider to see if they offer this solution.
 
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