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Appealing a badge over very small drugs charge.

Devine20

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Hello folks,
Looking for some advice on appealing a decision from the sia over a simple caution I obtained in october 2016. Basically I was caught with less than half a gram of white powder in my possession by the police and was arrested. I was interviewed and accepted the charge of a simple caution since it was my first ever charge on record. The sia wrote to me saying that they were aware I was given a caution but due to me not disclosing it straight away I was being put up for review of my license. I gave my letter of mitigation and had a few people do character references but they said it wasn't enough so asked for more evidence that was in January 2017 but never had anyone else to do one so I left it. Had an email on 22nd may 2017 saying my badge has been revoked but can still appeal it in magistrates court but was wondering if I was wasting my time and money appealing the case in court? Would it being my first ever charge or pleaing to be fined instead of losing my license stand any chance in court?
 

premier

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Devine20,

You excepted a caution which is your admission of guilt, why do you think you deserve to hold a Sia license?

The fact it is your first ever incident leading to a caution is meaningless.

You excepted it now except the decision you can not hold a license due to your own actions.

Regards

premier
 

Ivan67

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Real simple, if you can not follow the laws prescribed among the society you live in then you should not be working in the industry.
 

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I was caught with less than half a gram of white powder in my possession by the police and was arrested.
There's your answer right there, a caution will stay on your disclosure for at least a year depending on where you live and if You keep your nose clean (pun intended) it should disappear then you can reapply for your badge , be a waste of time trying before that, plus the only things that can end your career quicker than an EFP is drugs and theft.


Let that be a lesson to all you crazy kids out there...JUST SAY NO!!
 
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Can I not use the 6 months they took to decide to to revoke my badge against the year I need to keep my nose clean. So I have to wait 6 months to reapply or is it 1 year after the revocation?
 

littlewoman

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Can I not use the 6 months they took to decide to to revoke my badge against the year I need to keep my nose clean. So I have to wait 6 months to reapply or is it 1 year after the revocation?
So you were able to work for 6 months before they made the decision, now you want that six months counted in your punishment? You're not exactly accepting that you are at fault here and deserve to be punished are you? You were lucky to get away with a caution.
 

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So you were able to work for 6 months before they made the decision, now you want that six months counted in your punishment? You're not exactly accepting that you are at fault here and deserve to be punished are you? You were lucky to get away with a caution.
I checked on the sia website on the criminality check and that stated I could reapply for my badge without mitigating evidence exactly a year after the caution was issued. This being November 2017 and I lost plenty of work disclosing my badge was being reviewed. Not like I haven't already been punished for my own actions.
 

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I checked on the sia website on the criminality check and that stated I could reapply for my badge without mitigating evidence exactly a year after the caution was issued. This being November 2017 and I lost plenty of work disclosing my badge was being reviewed. Not like I haven't already been punished for my own actions.
But its seems the delay was because you didn't tell them that you had a caution right away.
 

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At the risk of incurring the wrath from the hang him high brigade, its ironic how many are supporting a decision from an authority which they all say is inept!

He did wrong, took a caution, got no previous- give the guy a break all he wants to do is earn a living. I suppose the alternative is living on benefits (your tax money) for the next 12 months until he is clear?

I'll grab me coat.............:)
 

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At the risk of incurring the wrath from the hang him high brigade, its ironic how many are supporting a decision from an authority which they all say is inept!

He did wrong, took a caution, got no previous- give the guy a break all he wants to do is earn a living. I suppose the alternative is living on benefits (your tax money) for the next 12 months until he is clear?

I'll grab me coat.............:)
protectasia,

Let him come work with you !
I personally don't want to work with someone who uses cocaine, or whatever "white powder" got him the caution.
I certainly wouldn't employ him.

As for claiming benefits for a year, we already suffer that burden one more won't break the economy.

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premier
 

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Just to shove my two pennies in...

Door Staff are supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not an oblivious idiot. I know that there are Door Staff out there that don't exactly follow that (IE take bribes, kiddie porn, usage of drugs, etc). Ultimately, you are in a position where you are expected to follow the rules that you are setting down. Whether your encounter with the Boys in Blue happened during work, or while off-duty (I'm guessing the latter), it doesn't matter. In the eyes of everyone that matters (Employers/other Door Staff), you don't have any integrity. When it comes to a Drugs Incident, you can't be trusted to deal with it, because there's always the chance that those drugs might somehow go missing, or bribes might be taken from Dealers. You are no longer impartial. Your conduct in general can't be trusted either, in case you are high, or are cosying up to users/dealers at the expense of doing your job.

Personally, I believe that there is an implicit trust in a Door Team between everyone. Ultimately, your lives are in each others' hands. You all trust each other to do the right thing. Don't get me wrong; I might not like someone, I might have an argument with someone about whatever, but i'll still work with them, and i'll still trust them all the same, and i'll still cover their arse. For things like Drugs, I could honestly never trust you, and could never work with you.

The fact that the SIA are prepared to give people they know to be involved in Drugs etc a License in the first place is a joke we all know. The fact that they Licensed you to begin with, then suspended your License after you were dealt with by the Police for Drugs, and are potentially prepared to relicense you shows exactly how much of a joke that they are.

I'm sorry, but I personally could never work with you. I would go so far as to say that any good doorman out there would also refuse to work with you. If I were you, I would personally give up any ambition of re-joining the industry, and go for a change of career. You've had your shot & shown that you have a lack of integrity & credibility
 

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Can I not use the 6 months they took to decide to to revoke my badge against the year I need to keep my nose clean.
Of course, obviously, that's a brilliant idea, please let us all know how that works out for you. Maybe all you'll get is a 'very small' refusal over your 'very small' charge.

Meanwhile... some of us have to work.

See you on the other side.

Regards

Col
 
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Paul83

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So the guy does cocaine, where should he work now?

I can't think of a safe occupation he could do whilst on the gear, but i assume he had the wisdom to do this out of work.

Lets put this in perspective, you can admit to drug use in your application to the police and still get in.

If you have an addiction problem with class A it wouldn't be an automatic dismissal from the force. Goes for alcohol.


To the OP I am pretty certain if you appeal it can cost you if it doesn't work in your favour.

Seek legal advice you can get free consultations just look for ones that specialise in criminal law would be my suggestion.

Hope i helped.
 
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Given the fact he was in possession of less than a gram, and cocaine is usually sold in street deals of 1 gram, it leads us to believe he had taken half of the stuff. Likely whilst on duty, putting not only himself and his colleagues at risk but also the public which he is paid to protect. Lets also not forget cocaine is a class A drug and carries up to a 7 year punishment for possession alone.

If security professionals want a more professional appearance there must be a disciplinary system that is robust when its members comment crime. For me the OP isn't sorry or regretful of his crime, and therefore deserves the full bad.

Cant do the time, don't do the crime.
 
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