Are we under appreciated as matloes

harry378x

Full Registered User
hi everyone
fristly im new to this site so thought i would just say hi and if i could just put my view across and get any feed back i would be most thankful

i spent ten years in the mob doing various drafts and gaining a considerable amount of experience in maritime security.
ok ive been out of the mob for ten years now but as they say once a matloe always a matloe.
ive been thinking about getting into the marsec for about 18 months now as i have a lot of ex-army friends who are all in the c.p. work.
ok so where you start, ive got all my aduals up to date did a s.s.o.& p.f.s.o. course. and got the c.v. all done up and looking pretty
so where do i go from here now. well ive sent my c.v. out to as many companys as possible and now im waiting for some work , the problem with all this is that most of the work out there is based on word of mouth, i totally understand this ( as you dont want to employ someone and then find out hes useless) but the problem is that most of the security work conducted at sea is done by ex-marines. now dont get me wrong i do regard these men as cream of the crop but are they going to recomend a ex-sailor for this sort of work.
ye ive work with these guys at sea but to be honest all they were really used for was boarding ops back in the day of the sanctions against iraq. but as were on my ships they were not embarked so it fell to good old jack.
pleases tell me if im wrong by all means but am i missing something here do they get taught how to secure a ship against pirates or terrorist doing there trainning because im sure that was the job of the sailors on board.
now im sure that im going to get a little stick for this but i mean no offence to any ex-royal marine at all im just saying this as im getting this view and feeling from a lot of matloes that are still serving and are trying to get into this line of work, and they seem to be getting fobbed of cos they are not ex royal.

its the same old saying horses for courses . ive met royals that could not handle being at sea , so dosent it seem sence to employ a sailor that has spent time at sea has done the watches on deck and lookout stuff through the dodgy parts of the world long before there was a global market for marsec and long before we needed some royals on board just to hold our guns for us . also we all know the conditions that we will expect to meet when getting on a ship and would learn to lay out a lot quicker and as for the basic sea survial stuff as a matloe we are constantly trainning where as im sure they might do the course and get a little while embarked on board but are we not better trained ????

as i was saying im still looking for work and hopefully ive got something coming up soon but if not maybe ill just give up and go back to the andrew heard they are handing out promtions with the cornflakes again

finally if ive offended anyone im sorry there is no intention too
hope to hear your views on this
 

DaveThorne

Full Registered User
Harry mate,

I am unsure as to whether you are trying to get a job in CP or in MARSEC. If it's MARSEC then you need to accept that Royal will probably get the vote if it's a paper job filter. If it's CP then you need to take some pain for a while and go for an entry level job. I don't know what your sso and psfo courses are (I did two years with Royal and onboard Grey Funnel line) so it's likely that an employer won't either.
Have you got any civvy quals in CP/HEPSD or more than basic first aid?

You could try the networking event in April that's advertised. If nothing else you can see who you're competing against and then you need to be realistic with yourself and decide whether to prosecute further or pull the pin and walk away. I can't get to it myself but you have to put in the hours to get results. I'm still safe in the mob but good luck to you mate.

Stay Safe

Dave T
 

harry378x

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hi dave
thanks for the reply basically mate i would not consider getting into c.p. work. i dont see the point i would be well punching above my weight and would not only show myself up but would most likely get myself and others killed.
leys leave that to the guys who are better trained and can deal with that on the ground via many years of experience in either the army or marines.
im not saying im scared or anything like that just dont see the point in doing somethimng im not trained for.
ye im going to the show on fri and am looking forward to it im sure its going to be very educational to me and will be good to get a good feed back from the guys that are out doing the work

and im sure ill get the info ill need to pull the pin and walk ha ha

thanks
harry
 

farangbootneck

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pleases tell me if im wrong by all means but am i missing something here do they get taught how to secure a ship against pirates or terrorist doing there trainning because im sure that was the job of the sailors on board.


Yes you are wrong...
This really is bread and butter stuff for any experienced Security Operator be them RM/RN/Army/RAF.
If you feel that your background only limits you to the maritime sector for which you are getting no luck then maybe you should try something else mate..
 
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harry378x

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sorry but maybe i didnt make my self clear.
even tho ive been looking to get into marsec for 18 months ive only been seeking for employment the last few months
i didnt want to advertise myself and then find out i was
1, under-qualified 2.out of the loop to long.
im not saying that marsec should only be done by ex-RN im just saying it seems more logic to employ them more than other services.
i understand that any service could do marsec but lets get it right if i was at sea ill rather ex-RN than any other branch of the armed forces protecting the ship .
but maybe thats just me being biasis
thanks
harry
 

farangbootneck

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Maybe employers would rather recruit guys with many years experience in the industry from various sectors, with a deep understanding of the complex world of commercial security, who can liase with the clients on a proffesional and knowledgable basis. Guys who over time have all the right civvie quals, well versed operators that can work in any and all areas of the industry.
Cap badge means nothing to me anymore, I have seen it all before, Spend some time in H.E and you will know where I'm coming from.
I could go on all day, this is Civvie street not the armed forces, We need switched on, confident and knowledgable leaders, Theres no hiding behind your bessy oppos if your a sack of sh1te.
Cap badge comparison is a thing of the past.
 
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harry378x

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thanks for the input ferangbootneck
and i understand what your saying and point taken in
obvisously im probaly thinking with my navy head on,. where as your out in the trade your know more than me

once again thanks appreciate it mate
harry
 

Matelot45

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Hi Harry,

Just wondering how your getting on as Im in the same boat as yourself served 10 been out 10 but only just started applying wondering if youve had much feed back.

Jock
 

kaz1983

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Hi Harry,

I'm a current matelot, leaving next Feb. Im going down the CP route.

Ive spoken to people, having researched for months on courses and routes to go down as I am a communicator. I see where your coming from, but do know that in Marsec there are ex Army and a few ex Matelots doing Cp in hostile environments and also executive CP. I think it all depends on backgrounds and in some cases but not all weather you have an op tour under your belt.

Good luck
 

Matelot45

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Hi Harry,

Just to let you know mate keep at it if your not employed yet I just had an offer through from DC myself not quite along the transits line but its getting me out there in the marsec sector so im happy. Just keep sending those C.V's and keep on the phone to the relevant company's what I would say is be prepared to deploy at short notice that means all immunisations in date and the basics I have yet to do my S.S.O course and have done nothing military since leaving the mob in 2000 so it can be done but have had a lot of no responses whatsoever. Good luck mate

Jock
 

Thomasiain

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Jack Tar

Harry , I agree with you end of . I was in for 25 years ended up a Jossman , however , I did serve with Royals and did beat them at their own game. I did the assault courses in the UK and Abroad. I was an RPO but a Dog Handler specialising in DD AND FX a different breed from the rest I must say and a hard person to handle at the time.

You go for it as you have said ships security was done not only with Royals but Jack played the major roll. I was trained to shoot to kill not maim.

Go for it and I have many Ex Royals as friends , infact I have many friends from all walkes of life within the Armed Forces .

Tam
PS My son Liam followed suit but unfortunatly was killed in Iraq 2008 Road Traffic Accident ( Blow Out )
 

downunder-seeks00

Full Registered User
mate ur waisting ur time,i trained cp at hereford done boarding ops in iraq all weapon quals fit strong ,not good enough.employers dont even regard any cp course highly save ur money.if u havent had in country experiance in iraq at least 2 times 6 yrs army min standard ur waisting ur time!army cant handel the high seas stuff em
 

Carl Dowd

Well-Known Member
hi everyone
fristly im new to this site so thought i would just say hi and if i could just put my view across and get any feed back i would be most thankful

i spent ten years in the mob doing various drafts and gaining a considerable amount of experience in maritime security.
ok ive been out of the mob for ten years now but as they say once a matloe always a matloe.
ive been thinking about getting into the marsec for about 18 months now as i have a lot of ex-army friends who are all in the c.p. work.
ok so where you start, ive got all my aduals up to date did a s.s.o.& p.f.s.o. course. and got the c.v. all done up and looking pretty
so where do i go from here now. well ive sent my c.v. out to as many companys as possible and now im waiting for some work , the problem with all this is that most of the work out there is based on word of mouth, i totally understand this ( as you dont want to employ someone and then find out hes useless) but the problem is that most of the security work conducted at sea is done by ex-marines. now dont get me wrong i do regard these men as cream of the crop but are they going to recomend a ex-sailor for this sort of work.
ye ive work with these guys at sea but to be honest all they were really used for was boarding ops back in the day of the sanctions against iraq. but as were on my ships they were not embarked so it fell to good old jack.
pleases tell me if im wrong by all means but am i missing something here do they get taught how to secure a ship against pirates or terrorist doing there trainning because im sure that was the job of the sailors on board.
now im sure that im going to get a little stick for this but i mean no offence to any ex-royal marine at all im just saying this as im getting this view and feeling from a lot of matloes that are still serving and are trying to get into this line of work, and they seem to be getting fobbed of cos they are not ex royal.

its the same old saying horses for courses . ive met royals that could not handle being at sea , so dosent it seem sence to employ a sailor that has spent time at sea has done the watches on deck and lookout stuff through the dodgy parts of the world long before there was a global market for marsec and long before we needed some royals on board just to hold our guns for us . also we all know the conditions that we will expect to meet when getting on a ship and would learn to lay out a lot quicker and as for the basic sea survial stuff as a matloe we are constantly trainning where as im sure they might do the course and get a little while embarked on board but are we not better trained ????

as i was saying im still looking for work and hopefully ive got something coming up soon but if not maybe ill just give up and go back to the andrew heard they are handing out promtions with the cornflakes again

finally if ive offended anyone im sorry there is no intention too
hope to hear your views on this

Under appreciated..? of course not... I feel that it is absolutely strategic and that you do a wonderful job in filling bath tubs and tin cans...:D
 

DanBass

Full Registered User
Cap badge means nothing to me anymore, I have seen it all before, Spend some time in H.E and you will know where I'm coming from.
I could go on all day, this is Civvie street not the armed forces, We need switched on, confident and knowledgable leaders, Theres no hiding behind your bessy oppos if your a sack of sh1te.
Cap badge comparison is a thing of the past.

That's a refreshing attitude Farangbootneck!

Harry, I've recently been jumped through all the hoops as an 'ex matelot' and come out the other side. Sell yourself and your partiular skills, build on your weaknesses or any inexperience that you may have.

MARSEC is bootie dominated, but that doesn't mean that you wont get work. If You believe that you are good enough to stand out then stick with it.
 

Maxamise1

Full Registered User
Hi Harry,

Just to let you know mate keep at it if your not employed yet I just had an offer through from DC myself not quite along the transits line but its getting me out there in the marsec sector so im happy. Just keep sending those C.V's and keep on the phone to the relevant company's what I would say is be prepared to deploy at short notice that means all immunisations in date and the basics I have yet to do my S.S.O course and have done nothing military since leaving the mob in 2000 so it can be done but have had a lot of no responses whatsoever. Good luck mate

Jock
Matelot45...did you require to obtain a seamans book or was your RN history enough. Thanks in advance

Max
 

kaz1983

Full Registered User
All, as a matelot due to leave, I have been given early release as been given firm job offer as a CPO in a hostile environment.

Its out there guys and girls if you really want it. I'm a LOM(C)! but used all my experiences inc op tour and skills to listen and learn. (Still alot of learning to do!)

As DanBass says, if you think you are good enough, stick at it.

Any Q's PM me, more than happy to help
 

boatman

Full Registered User
I know a few fellow matelots who have started to get more work in Marsec so hopefully there is work for us all!
 

Midwales

Banned
Alright Jack

Hey guys,

Nice to see a few other ex matelotes out and about on the site :)

I am in the same position as a few of you, I left the mob a while ago and decided to get into the CP side of things either UK or hostile, or even try MARSEC.

I also did a FPOS medical course as some of the companies like that now, especially those working abroad.

All I can say is its a long hard road sometimes, it is all about networking and knocking on doors/emailing every man and his dog and dont be afraid to follow up on submitted CV's/work enquiries as I have heard loads of poeple say " I get that many CV's/calls a day, I always mean to get back to poeple, but I am that busy, its goes completely out of my head"....well that type of thing :)
So keep banging away at it and help each other out, network and eventually it will start coming in.

Wishing you all the best Shipmates :)

Midwales
 
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