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Armed CIT escorts

TMAC

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It was announced int the news today that the Irish Army and police will no longer provide armed escorts for Large cash transfers in Ireland!
It has been stated that the banks have bolstered operational procedures to mitigate risk of theft from vehicles transferring cash.
Just throwing it out there for discussion, how does it operate in other countries.....


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Security companies do this all over the world, mostly unarmed with less money in the vehicle then before and trusting on technical security systems. I did cash in transit for 7 years in the 1990´s and back then armed robbery was massive in Sweden.
For several years we saw less and less robberies and the last few years its almost back on the same numbers as in early 2000.
Around 30-45 armed robberies a year against cash in transit.
The major players here is G4S, Securitas, Nokas none is armed.
(in Sweden close protection officers and protective securityguards are armed) last is for important facilities such as embassies, government buildings and some contracted services with the military.
CIT do deliver money to banks, refill atm machines, pick up money daily from supermarkets, and contracted companies that deal with cash.
I have a pretty good insight to this for Sweden, even though it is many years ago I did this kind of work.
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I used to work on the same industrial estate as the Brink Matt depot in Dublin. Cash vans were coming and going all the time, you knew which ones had the serious cash on them because they had an army escort. The only thing in reality which would have stopped the provisionals robbing that is that 12 dead Irish army soldiers wouldn't be good for their PR.

The armed escort just highlighted where the serious money was, it wouldn't have actually stopped any determined and well organised group from getting the money.

You'll probably find that dye bombs in the boxes are by far the most effective way of protecting the money. Varying times and routes, keeping it low profile etc. are also important. Most shops deposit their cash this way, one person, one carrier bag, different routes, different times. Granted the amounts are smaller, but its still a good measure of protection which protects them with what would otherwise be a very easy target.
 

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All good points LW, however, having worked here, you'll know that the attitude to 'security' is pretty lax at best!
There is an inherent, 'sure that will never happen to me' school of though here which is nigh on impossible to break.....


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All good points LW, however, having worked here, you'll know that the attitude to 'security' is pretty lax at best!
There is an inherent, 'sure that will never happen to me' school of though here which is nigh on impossible to break.....


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Also rather than going in hard with an armed option, there has been the move toward the "Tiger kidnapping" although that has quietened down a bit in the last couple of years.

Without the armed escorts, I think the biggest problem the Security will have will be parking in those small towns without the plod and Army muscling their way into parking spots for them....

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All good points LW, however, having worked here, you'll know that the attitude to 'security' is pretty lax at best!
There is an inherent, 'sure that will never happen to me' school of though here which is nigh on impossible to break.....


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Their attitude to just about everything was pretty lax! At one engineering company I worked you'd regularly hear "Ah, sure, stick a quality stamp on it, it'll be fine." This was generally the engineers taking the pee, but they were only voicing what the attitude of the company and the operators were. It was a bloody nightmare working there and actually trying to get people to do things correctly and produce stuff that had all the right bits on and preferably in the right places and right way up. I have to say though, this was down to culture, not race, and that culture was not tolerated in all work places. Intel was the best place I worked for doing things correctly and making sure that everything was done right, better than any British company I've worked for.

As for the Irish army and their armed escort, "lax" was good, some of them weren't even awake! The one ex-army person I worked with over there had done 18 months in the army in the 70's, this was the longest he'd held down any job, he usually got sacked after a few months. That says a lot for their standards.
 

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Considering the army lads got 12 quid for their days work I'm not really surprised!


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