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So ! Does rehabilitation of offenders act,constitute forgiveness for his offences ? for him to be granted, after training his SIA accreditation for him personally to operate in the UK and as a director of Pro-Tec ?. Makes you wonder ?.
 
keeniemeenieman said:
So ! Does rehabilitation of offenders act,constitute forgiveness for his offences ? for him to be granted, after training his SIA accreditation for him personally to operate in the UK and as a director of Pro-Tec ?. Makes you wonder ?.
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The SIA gave other murders and career criminals and potential terrorists a license...............
 
We and our tranatlantic cousins seem to have trained half the bloody worlds terrorists. Hardly surprising when we get bitten on the arse.

V :(
 
Visioneer said:
We and our tranatlantic cousins seem to have trained half the bloody worlds terrorists. Hardly surprising when we get bitten on the arse.

V :(
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And yet I got slated on here when I said that to ensure we wouldn't ever do that we wouldn't accept muslim students.... Funny old world isn't it :)
 
Personally I think the BG was hired by Louis Walsh , I also suspect he bought him a bag of fertiliser and a few litres of fuel oil for Christmas!
 
Was he actually hired as a BG, or was he providing security for the venue or the event in general. Sounds more like the latter to me.

His offence was in 1973 when he was 18, he was living in an environment that is very different to that which most of us have experienced. Employers could legally refuse to employ someone just because they were Catholic, the council or private landlords could legally deny someone a house just for being Catholic. There were soldiers on the streets, some of whom would treat the local population like dirt, he was probably quite used to being spread-eagled up against a wall at gunpoint to be searched. Its easy to see how young people brought up in that environment can get involved with paramilitaries.

I'm sure many of us know people who were badly behaved at that age and getting in all sorts of trouble with the law and turned out to be decent law abiding responsible people. Its important that we remember the lessons of the past but its also important that we remember that it is the past and move on. There are Irish people who continue to blame the British for everything that is wrong on 'their island' , there are those that still hate the British for everything that has happened in the past. That is why we still have terrorism over there. The British government has changed its attitude, there are equality laws to prevent discrimination (with a nudge from European Human Rights laws) and there is a devolved assembly where the parties actually work together. Both sides need to accept that the political situation has moved on and that people themselves have moved on.

As long as he is acting lawfully now and his company is well run and professional then why should his distance past be a problem?
 
operator144 said:
Agreed - but how does he pass a CRB check for an SIA license??
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I have personally seen a CRB for a serial offender with offences (over 30 convictions) going back to the 70's with the most recent in 2001 including theft, fraud, burglary, GBH and 5 counts of armed robbery that was issued an SIA license. If they'll give it to him, they'll give it to anyone.
 
I do think there is a world of difference between someone who has a short period of offending some time ago and someone who has a very long time of offending even with some gap after it. Taking the person that SCT has talked about, I would probably give someone like that a job in a role that didn't require trust but not one that involved trust at any level, at least not until they had been employed for some time, then it would have to be a gradual move to things that involved a bit of trust.
 
The lunatics really have took over the asylum.
It doesn't matter if he is a BG or venue security.
He should not be in the security industry full stop.
 
Little woman he had a choice, my 18yr old cousin did not and his parents buried an empty coffin because they could not find him.
 
1066 said:
Little woman he had a choice, my 18yr old cousin did not and his parents buried an empty coffin because they could not find him.
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The point I was making was that was a choice he made a long time ago. He's made choices since and has now chosen peace and providing security. There are a lot of dodgy people in this industry that are still dodgy, some of them never having been caught by anyone for anything. How many of us have been ripped off by companies that don't pay you for the hours done. How many of us have seen clients ripped off for staff that aren't actually there or seen staff sleeping when they are supposed to be working. How many of us have got hurt because companies won't supply enough staff or supply idiots that can't or won't fight when the need arises. There's plenty of DS companies that are run more like protection rackets and plenty of people that think stealing is a perk of the job.

I'm not saying ignore his past, I'm just saying recognise that it is his past. Also recognise that there are plenty of people with nice clean records that really should be doing time and not working in security.
 
Littlewoman,
for all your high reputation on this site i think you are missing the point !
Myself and many other members on here were involved in the protection of law and order and the sovereignty of mainland and the law abiding people of Northern Ireland,whether they were Catholic or Protestant !this man was not the same as me or my fellow comrades ,then or know ! But you are saying (because you havent got a clue of the real situation then or now)that we should forgive him and accept him as being one of us ?He is not the same as me,we have different morals and ethics and above all our loyalties lie with different points of view.Is he a member on here ????Who Knows.
 
keeniemeenieman said:
Littlewoman,
for all your high reputation on this site i think you are missing the point !
Myself and many other members on here were involved in the protection of law and order and the sovereignty of mainland and the law abiding people of Northern Ireland,whether they were Catholic or Protestant !this man was not the same as me or my fellow comrades ,then or know ! But you are saying (because you havent got a clue of the real situation then or now)that we should forgive him and accept him as being one of us ?He is not the same as me,we have different morals and ethics and above all our loyalties lie with different points of view.Is he a member on here ????Who Knows.
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I am not saying he is the same as other people. I am saying what he did was a long time ago. The army used to recruit quite a few people who had been very naughty boys in their youth and turn them around. People can and do change. Also, as Vis alluded to the British trained various groups around the world, governments and rebels (terrorists, insurgents or whatever label you feel like putting on any particular group) that had appalling records when it came to human rights.

You are being very presumptuous saying that I know nothing about the situation there, that is not the case.
 
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