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littlewoman

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unfortunately retail security can stop and search on the shop premises, i.e. before you leave the store/supermarket, they cannot stop you outside the store doors unless they have actual evidence you removed something from the store/supermarket without paying, hence why they have cctv on every aisle in the store.
It makes no difference where you are. They can only force you to stop if they have grounds to arrest (ie. proof that you've nicked something). They need consent to search you. They can ask you to stop in the shop but they can't make you stay unless they arrest.
 

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i have worked retail for 9 years and the way we used to stop people was to carry a security tag within our trouser pocket and walk out at the same time of the person we suspect to stop so we could search them i and 50% of the time some one would have a stolen item on them and every security guard has the right to stop on the street only if 110% sure they got some stolen item but we trained if in doubt let them go or just call in the police for a stop and search i love retail security get so much action in south wales
So when you've set the alarm off by carrying a tag in your pocket you approach the suspect and claim it was them who set the alarm off?
What happens if you find a large number of stolen goods in their bag, do you call the Police? If you do, do you mention in your statement that you had set the alarm off by carrying a tag?
You then say you were trained that "If in doubt let them go" but your opening statements says "if in doubt blag it".
 

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how is the tag scenario going to work if they only have their weekly shop, from tescos or sianburys etc, if the security guy has suspicions of a member of staff arent they suppose to bring it to the store managers attention???? and not use the scenario to stop the customers.

they do not need your permission to search you if you are still inside the store, because the items are still legally the shops, thats why store detectives and security guys always wait for the thief to leave the shop doors. and then ask them to return, the same as you cannot restrain them in anyway as it is classed as common assault.
i did retail as well in swansea for 3 years. and attended court, which i might add they still owe me for.
 

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they do not need your permission to search you if you are still inside the store, because the items are still legally the shops, thats why store detectives and security guys always wait for the thief to leave the shop doors. and then ask them to return, the same as you cannot restrain them in anyway as it is classed as common assault.
i did retail as well in swansea for 3 years. and attended court, which i might add they still owe me for.
The items are legally the shop's regardless of whether or not they left the shop. You have no right to search another person, whatever you suspect them of, regardless of whether or not they are in the shop. To touch them without their permission would be common assault. You need to obtain consent before you search anyone. Clubs and pubs may make searching a condition of entry but they can only refuse entry or get someone to leave if they refuse a search, they can't force them to be searched.
If you have proof that they have stolen something then you can arrest them and restrain them if necessary but even then you can't search them without their consent. Also you can't make them return to the store, they can come if they want but if you move them anywhere that is going beyond powers of arrest unless you have very good reason to move them for your own safety.
 

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this is getting boring and anoying.
no you can not search .UNLESS THE PERSON is giving you permission.Uk based.sg's have no power at 'l.
you are there to observe and report nothing more nothing less.
F...ing learn the law of the country you are operating in.
rant over
 

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this is getting boring and anoying.
no you can not search .UNLESS THE PERSON is giving you permission.Uk based.sg's have no power at 'l.
you are there to observe and report nothing more nothing less.
F...ing learn the law of the country you are operating in.
rant over
Amen. No permission = no search, in most West-Eruopean countries (unless exceptions from Ministries etc). Working in the security industry myself as a lowly guard, I would tell a retail guard (politely) to piss off if he wanted to do that, and if they wished to accuse me (unless I've been setting off theft alarms everywhere) they can call the police. Same with "checking the ticket/bill" (something I've heard of happening in some US stores). Sorry, I just (over)paid for all of this crap, I'm not going to be feeling humiliated on my way out!
 

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Even though it was made by a one-post-wonder, there is quite a good bit of information in this thread regarding retail security so I thought I would give it a BUMP for others to read as it contains a lot of FAQ's for the retail sector.

While training for my DS and CCTV SIA licenses recently we had to go into depth of quite a few laws of security including the human rights act and under no condition at all are security guards allowed to physically touch someone without their permission, even then it's best to ask them to empty their own bags and belongings.
 

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Even though it was made by a one-post-wonder, there is quite a good bit of information in this thread regarding retail security so I thought I would give it a BUMP for others to read as it contains a lot of FAQ's for the retail sector.

While training for my DS and CCTV SIA licenses recently we had to go into depth of quite a few laws of security including the human rights act and under no condition at all are security guards allowed to physically touch someone without their permission, even then it's best to ask them to empty their own bags and belongings.
Yes and the friendly needle weilding drug addict that you sometimes come across will of course comply with that request. Same as not touching without permission if needles appear its better to put them down and await police.

Adapt and overcome
 

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Was it Illegal? well that depends, Did your mum have the correct insurance on her vehicle for a stranger to drive her car? did the stranger have a full and valid drivers licence for the vehicle they drove, and were they properly insured? if they were not, thn yes it was illegal. if they had the correct insurance then no it was not illegal.

as for the stop and search, the security personnel have a hard task, they are damned if they do and damned if they dont. they were polite, they explained the reason your mom had nothing to worry about, she had done no wrong.
 

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While training for my DS and CCTV SIA licenses recently we had to go into depth of quite a few laws of security including the human rights act and under no condition at all are security guards allowed to physically touch someone without their permission, even then it's best to ask them to empty their own bags and belongings.
There is no law outlawing physical contact of any nature without consent so long as it is not sexual or aggressive. If there was; rush hour would be a lot more tolerable.

Exactly what Human Right is breached by making physical contact?

I make deliberate friendly physical contact with people all the time and even some who are getting a bit wound up to test the reaction.

Now if you are talking best practise - fine. But lets not confused best practise with law and rights.
 

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Its certainly not best to ask a suspect to empty their own bags as they have all sorts of little pockets they might not have emptied, then there's always the trick of hiding something behind the liner. Likewise, with pockets, you still have to search to ensure they're emptied properly. You can't search without permission and the person can withdraw permission if they feel you're searching places they don't want, but once you have permission there are no definite rules as to how or where you search. That is down to the policy of the company you're working for, and even that often gets ignored by the people who actually have the experience and know how it should be done.
 

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This thread has gone in completely the wrong direction.

To the post originator, is your Mom hot? If so I can make myself available to drive her anywhere she wants next time she is molested by nasty shaved monkeys in peaked caps at her local Aldis.
Let me know, I'm happy to provide the service.

No offence to any SGs who actually do look like shaved monkeys in peaked caps :)
 
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The security guard should be politely in such situation and does not treat any one like this, and the guard must knows the rules ans regulation and do's and don't of the contract if you see the providers of security guard services in mumbai mostly educate our guard to handle such kind of situation

Edited to remove advertising link ;)
 
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A security officer can ask to search your bags. However, I would of only done this if I was 100% that you had stolen something. This is bad customer service. Perhaps a manager approached the guards and said you had stolen something, the guards then decided to come in.
 
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