Change of scene. Any advice?

LakeEffectKid

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Hi guys,

I recently accepted a new job, a little bit of a change from my comfort zone of Door Work, but one I hope to find challenging, interesting and rewarding in it's own way. The company I new work for provides security to a number of different things, scenarios and organisations, and I have been assigned to the Backstage and Pit security team at an arena.

I have to wait a bit while my background checks are done before I can start, but I'm already looking forwards to it! Obviously, it's a different atmosphere and role to what I'm used to, but I'm hoping that, knowing how resourceful and knowledgeable you the CPW members are, there would be any advice that you would be able to give to me about backstage and pit Security? Stuff to remember, things to be aware of, challenges this role has, that sort of thing. Anything would be useful!

Many thanks in advance!
Lakeeffectkid
 
Always make sure people have the backstage pass, especially if they are famous, its not beyond the paparazzi to use a lookalike to get in and get some photos. However, do be courteous with anyone trying to get backstage, musicians aren't too good with procedures and of all the people claiming they are best mates with the drummer, one of them might be.

Pit crew - ear plugs and try not to stand in front of the speakers, just to the side of them reduces the volume dramatically. If there's rock type gigs with a mosh pit, stay out of it, they look after themselves and each other.
 
As LW said always check passes and if your serious about your hearing get a custom set of moulded ear plugs

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Thanks guys! All i've been told so far is that, while the company has the contract for Pit and Backstage Security, I won't be allowed into the Pit until after i've done a Pit Training Course, for insurance reasons, which is something i'm eager to get, so i'll probably be deployed backstage until that's done. When I had my interview (Sunday), they said there was a Pit course starting the next day, but they couldn't put me into it, because I won't technically be on their books until after the background checks are done. They said that they won't be running another for a few weeks, but i'm free to do one elsewhere if I want. I'm also looking into doing a first-aid course with them as well, it's something i've wanted to do for a while. Had a few incidents on the doors that made me wish I was trained in what to do about injury

Any advice for what ear plugs to get? I normally use an acoustic tube radio earpiece, but that obviously won't work with it. I'm sure I remember reading something on here before about an A.T. Earpiece that had an ear plug built in, or an ear plug you could use A.T. earpieces with? What would you guys advise?

Any other OPSEC issues or advice to bear in mind?
 
Kid,

You will obviously get moulded ear pieces in pairs, now you decide if you want one earpiece and a blank, (my preferred choice)
Or you get a pair of earpieces, I use Amplifon (hearing aid firm) for my moulds and earpieces..

The choices are wide and varied, you can have amplified or just the speaker mount earpiece, if you google them they will have an office near you sometimes within a optician's premises on various days.

Hope that helps

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Personally I use ER20 Musicians earplugs, they worked for me, at anything from Michael Buble to Tiesto, love them! A pair of Peltor cans won't go a miss for heavier gigs in the pit. I personally wear steel toecaps and shin guards, your shins will take one hell of a battering jumping up and down on those footsteps, and it's a nice surprise to someone that tries to kick them, same with the steel toecaps, don't use them for kicking people, but they are beneficial to stop you stubbing your toe on the steps, barrier, gate or indeed people standing on them. Try and keep your arm strength up too, I'm currently working on that as it can get a bit knackering!

Best of all though, enjoy the pit. No matter how close those fangirls(and boys!) think they are to the band, you're always closer! Stay alert, enjoy the music and remember to use your judgement, it's great!
 
Personally I use ER20 Musicians earplugs, they worked for me, at anything from Michael Buble to Tiesto, love them! A pair of Peltor cans won't go a miss for heavier gigs in the pit. I personally wear steel toecaps and shin guards, your shins will take one hell of a battering jumping up and down on those footsteps, and it's a nice surprise to someone that tries to kick them, same with the steel toecaps, don't use them for kicking people, but they are beneficial to stop you stubbing your toe on the steps, barrier, gate or indeed people standing on them. Try and keep your arm strength up too, I'm currently working on that as it can get a bit knackering!

Best of all though, enjoy the pit. No matter how close those fangirls(and boys!) think they are to the band, you're always closer! Stay alert, enjoy the music and remember to use your judgement, it's great!

If you can prove you work in a loud environment over a specific volume, you can get free on the NHS, moulded ear plugs.

Steel toe caps…yeah skip that, shouldn't be wearing them

Shin pads…really!? please tell me you don't carry around a gum shield incase it kicks off..
 
If you can prove you work in a loud environment over a specific volume, you can get free on the NHS, moulded ear plugs.

Steel toe caps…yeah skip that, shouldn't be wearing them

Shin pads…really!? please tell me you don't carry around a gum shield incase it kicks off..

Steel toecaps and shin pads are personal choice, I use them and wouldn't go without them in the pit barrier. The amount of times you get kicked in the shins bringing people over, or get them slit open from sharp corners on the steps are ridiculous. Steel toecaps I'd never go without for pit.

Another tip is get one of the decent 1850 ultrafire torches with zoom, fantastic for people up on shoulders/crowd surfers, get them spotted easily, once they know they've been clocked they usually give it up anyway
 
Steel toecaps and shin pads are personal choice, I use them and wouldn't go without them in the pit barrier. The amount of times you get kicked in the shins bringing people over, or get them slit open from sharp corners on the steps are ridiculous. Steel toecaps I'd never go without for pit.

Another tip is get one of the decent 1850 ultrafire torches with zoom, fantastic for people up on shoulders/crowd surfers, get them spotted easily, once they know they've been clocked they usually give it up anyway

You are joking aren't you? If you were in the pit when I used to do it and you had shinpads on we would've laughed at you, we would've kicked you ourselves to make sure they worked. You now owe me a keyboard because I spat my coffee out reading that... Shinpads indeed lol.

As for steel toecaps, that's just asking for trouble I don't use them and I don't think many people here do either, it's dangerous, they're not illegal but no CP or DS would use them, the police would be down on us like a ton of bricks if someones head got split.

What if you accidentally let someone fall to the ground and caught their head with your toe?

How do you stub your toes getting up to lift someone over the barrier? You shouldn't be in the pit if you do. My last Pit was a metallica gig, 1600 people over the barrier and 20 of us to catch them.

Good luck with your chosen career, I don't think it will be security, my advice would be to take up Ann Summers.

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You are joking aren't you? If you were in the pit when I used to do it and you had shinpads on we would've laughed at you, we would've kicked you ourselves to make sure they worked. You now owe me a keyboard because I spat my coffee out reading that... Shinpads indeed lol.

As for steel toecaps, that's just asking for trouble I don't use them and I don't think many people here do either, it's dangerous, they're not illegal but no CP or DS would use them, the police would be down on us like a ton of bricks if someones head got split.

What if you accidentally let someone fall to the ground and caught their head with your toe?

How do you stub your toes getting up to lift someone over the barrier? You shouldn't be in the pit if you do. My last Pit was a metallica gig, 1600 people over the barrier and 20 of us to catch them.

Good luck with your chosen career, I don't think it will be security, my advice would be to take up Ann Summers.

Advice, read more and post less.

Advice taken - ditched the shin pads last month they're just an annoyance, started wearing them after my first shift where I ended up making a nice big bloody mess of my leg on a rather sharp barrier, thank god for steristrips. Wore them under my trousers so it wouldn't show! Just a pain in the a*se now. With regards to steel toecaps, I'm now officially in a security role rather than safety now, so as advised on my DS course, I'll be ditching them too. Cheers for the advice!
 
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is a Pit? I have and still do attend many Opera's and Symphonies and never heard of a Pit.

One thing I do know that needs to change about most theaers is the vallet parking situation. They never have space for an F450 4X4, but the vallet still takes your keys, and then sometimes just before the curtain goes up some Usher/Security comes to your box or seat to inform you that they have no place for your vehicle. Then you park the truck your self, catch a taxi back to the theater but the doors are closed and the same Usher/Security tells says you must wait until intermission before they open again.

So a little advice if someone rolls up in a large vehicle, just tell them to f*ck off straight away.

Just food for thought, but I am very curious to know what a Pit is still, as Google has been no help at all on this for me.
 
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Just food for thought, but I am very curious to know what a Pit is still, as Google has been no help at all on this for me.[/QUOTE]

Isn't it like a mosh pit, like people just throwing themselves in the air and shiz?


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Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is a Pit? I have and still do attend many Opera's and Symphonies and never heard of a Pit.

One thing I do know that needs to change about most theaers is the vallet parking situation. They never have space for an F450 4X4, but the vallet still takes your keys, and then sometimes just before the curtain goes up some Usher/Security comes to your box or seat to inform you that they have no place for your vehicle. Then you park the truck your self, catch a taxi back to the theater but the doors are closed and the same Usher/Security tells says you must wait until intermission before they open again.

So a little advice if someone rolls up in a large vehicle, just tell them to f*ck off straight away.

Just food for thought, but I am very curious to know what a Pit is still, as Google has been no help at all on this for me.

Actually it does derive from orchestra pit, ie. the bit below and in front of the stage where they hide the orchestra for ballet and such stuff. However, now it is the area in front of the stage, usually with a barrier between the crowd and stage (pit barrier), or the mosh pit which is where rocker types throw themselves about (but you stay out of that one). This is not to be confused with "The Pit" meaning sandpit, slang for desert type hostile places.
 
Advice taken - ditched the shin pads last month they're just an annoyance, started wearing them after my first shift where I ended up making a nice big bloody mess of my leg on a rather sharp barrier, thank god for steristrips. Wore them under my trousers so it wouldn't show! Just a pain in the a*se now. With regards to steel toecaps, I'm now officially in a security role rather than safety now, so as advised on my DS course, I'll be ditching them too. Cheers for the advice!

I didn't mean to be so abrupt with you there but if someone did a Google search and came across that last post they would get the wrong advice. Stay safe M8, welcome to the site, I'm sure you will be a valuable asset.
 
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Nice read, remembering my "pit" times no one of us has ever used shin pads or metal toes for the reasons pointed, instead we use lots of water and a spare bottle for the barrier fans that get stuck in there and later can not go away.
About the surfers, we use to stay down just looking the faces in the front line for a dizziness or the like and when eventually you spot a shoe or any body part away form it´s desired place just let it come and in the last minute push up in the step and push it down to the floor. If this is not going well them just give him a pull INSIDE the pit, he will fall, so be careful, and before he recovers take him away with a mate or two.
About noise, no mater what you wear, coms is a hell so we keep eye contact every now and them and talk with hands, the radio is just to ASK for and INFORM, not able to receive a shit.
About people, they are marvelous, hipsters and so are to be avoided as a plague, heavy, motorcycles and leather jackets people are amazing pals, try to make some contact in the first moments when lights are on and sound off, it will help you and they will fell "friendship??" as, you know, trying to pass the pit is part of the game, for them and you, just enjoy the "fair play". Once we had a german group and the people was all the time surfing, we all enjoyed it (minus one single man who was designed for backstage as he took it too personal) and there was a man who was town down in the pit, evacuated by the side and 30 minutes later was again in the barrier asking politely for a bullets belt he "had lost when failing" no regrets, no complaining, just asking as the literate man he was, so we pointed him the way and thanking us he went to recover it. (reminds me, lost&found is that, report ANYTHING you find, just in case, we are professionals, no gipsies).
About your H&S precautions: tetanus and cut resistant gloves, knowing your barrier and the steps it has and you are done, drink lots of water protect your hears and generally speaking as you have been told enjoy!!
 
In Arenas it's normally the three strike policy, three times over the barrier and you're out. At festivals we saw the same people at least over 10 times and just escorted them back to the crowd stage left or right. They enjoyed the thrill of surfing over and over and knew it wasn't possible to escort everyone out through an 80,000 crowd just for that.

A few of the worst offenders came over with an accidental groin injury as we were trying to save them from falling.
 
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Ur not allowed to wear toecaps as it can be deemed to be a deadly
And if sia come do checks you could lose ur badge as it's a deadly weapon I know deadly weapon but sia say no lol
 
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