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dermi1

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I am a serving Police Officer (firearms qualified) hopefully applying for police protection duties in the future. I was considering doing a private course in hope of expanding my knowledge, experience and CV for when I do apply. Likewise this would give me skills if I decided to enter the private sector. I would to include firearms training.

Would anyone recommend doing this or are there major difference between Police and Private tactics/terminology, etc. Are there any recommended courses based on UK Police Tactics which would set me in good stead?.

I have researched a number of courses and ones of interest appear to be Longmoor Group, AGP security, PSD-Training and RONIN re. SIA. I have also seen PPA Int which appears good value but not automatically SIA?

In my situation, do people think it would be worth the money or just wait to see what happens with work. I have the other option of paying for a Krav Maga Black Belt programme instead of a CP course?.

Any advice appreciated?

Sean
 

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There are huge differences between a police cp couse and a civil cp course, you are best getting a police national protective reactive course (cp course)

Reasons being you will conduct 4 weeks of training which will include a further 3000 rounds of ammunition to your basic shot qualification. You will have to be an advanced driver, a course which is 4 to 6 weeks long depending on course, and that is after your response driving course which is 3 to 4 weeks long depending on course. Then you have your 1 to 2 week anti hijack course after that. A police course costs per student £25.000 per student for the respective course, a civil course costs £3000/£3500.

If you are in the Met you will join one of the protection branches, if not it is doubtful you will ever be used in the role.

If you ARE intent on leaving the police and still wish to do a civil course, Bucks New University have recognised the Greymans CP Course is the best on the market for the transition to the civil market.

If you wish to go hostile go on a Ronin South Africa Course. Hostile is different from European CP though. My advice is research any courses thoroughly and assess do yo really need to do them!
 

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Thanks CO19. I thought a private course may help me through some aspects of the Police course (e.g. walking drills, interpersonal skills, etc). It's always been my career goal to do so I am looking to ways to improve my chances of getting on an unit (ideally Met Specialist Protection). Do you think the Krav Maga course maybe a better alternative?
 

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No to be honest, your best option is if you are in the counties transfer to the Met, so you can use your skills.
 

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Last time I spoke to some of the guys on DPG at the Met, anyone showing an interest in Diplomatic Protection were snapped up unless they were a complete numpty. So much so that some of the older more experienced guys were concerned at the lack of "time served" as Police officers before joining the DPG ranks. So if you do transfer to the Met you shouldn't have a problem getting in. But do your research before you jump.
 

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Just one for you guys DPG or Diplomatic Protection Group, sounds better than the job it actually is. It is not CP, it is basically stagging on at fixed points or driving around between embassies or VIP locations ticking a box saying you have visited it. They are just basic firearms officers. If you get on the cars CO19 will then give you a further week course in non compliant vehicle stops should you need to do one. This is rare for them as the CO19 ARV's will end up doing them the majority of the time.
 

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I have to agree with the above comments, the civvy CP market is pretty crap, the courses are watered down versions of whatever the directing staff used to do when they were serving Police/Military. The websites may look flashy and promise the world, but all these companies are interested in is taking your money and then forgetting about you. Like CO19 said, if you are not in the MET then transfer (?) if you can or to maybe West Mids if you fancy kicking plenty of doors in (from what I hear). Most of the jobs in the civvy sector are pretty mundane, you are not particularly appreciated and the money is never as good as people make out.
If it's action you seek then getting on convoy escorts with Armour or Aegis will be your best bet, but these jobs, especially in Iraq, are mega mega dangerous and i'm sure most would agree......The novelty of getting shot at wears off very quickly.
 

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Some Trainers are like that, like the Director of Training at Task International, but i still keep in touch with around 35 of my ex students from 2007. I am big on keeping in touch with ex students and i tell them they can call me anytime for advice which they do. There are a couple of high maintenace ones i must admit but i don't mind. I have introduced and promoted that ethos at Greymans.
 

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Hats off to you for keeping in touch with your ex students, I would guess you are the exception and not the rule though.
I had an ex team mate set up his own training company, lots of promises to stand by ex RMP CP lads etc, funnily enough it turned out that he was full of s**t. Charged more than any other company for an SIA refresher (over £800!) and basically span a load of nonsense about up and coming contracts he was due to be getting.
 

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Companies that keep in touch with there students are also, in my eyes, more likely to be used again by the student should they want further training, refreshers etc..

That is a + about this forum and giving companies there own area to use to help answer any questions added and to show there services, training courses, dates and prices etc..
 

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Hey Fellas

If i do the Graymans course would i still be able to go HE even tho i aint done a HE course im leaving the army after 7 years and have done 2 tours of Iraq.

Craig
 

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It depends on the company you deploy with, if you are intent on going hostile environment then I would go with Ronin SA, If you wish to stay or come back to the UK/European sector then a Greymans CP course is a good option.

Many of my ex-students have gone hostile and appreciate and found the course relevent, but it isn't a hostile environment course, but we give you an input equating to half a day. You will be doing vehicle drills, walking drills, routes recces and more than what the SIA state you need to do over the 18 day period.

Hope this helps
 

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So do you work for Graymans? iv just sent them a Email im after some info on the course.
 

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I am their senior CP instructor, although I am assigned on a 6 week cp job in London starting tomorrow.

The course is accreditated by edexcel who are ok, but we also got the course accreditaed by Buckinghamshire New University who state its the best course they have accreditated, so much so they are offering more points towards a degree in Protective Security Management than any other company they have accreditted. A degree is a good career progression step. The course last 18 days and you will be in the relevent parts of London and the Surrey belt alot. Cost £3000 next CP course dates are 2nd-19th Feb and 1st-18th March 2008. Accommodation is a good 3 star hotel 2 miles from the excellent classrooms. The Course is based just off the M4 near Reading.

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Cheers Nick

Im in a bit of a state at the moment as i am a Instructor at ITC Catterick (Army School Of Ceramonial) and our next course starts on Monday for five month so my Boss has said im cant do any Resettlement till the course is finished at the end of May, witch is enoying me a bit because i just want to get it booked and then i know im on it.

How much notice do i have to give to get on the course.

Craig
 

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We usually don't accept anymore students for a course more than 2 weeks prior to the start of the course, as there is some home reading to do prior to attendance, so when we go into the theory first few days your brains don't get over loaded.
Look at the Greymans site Greymans Ltd for more dates and courses.

Your not guards are you?

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Ha ha no mate im duke of lancasters reg, ex Kings own Border but i work with guards everyday.

Iv just got a book called The Bodyguard Bible and im reading that at the moment to get a insight in it all. Plus iv just got back from Iraq training the iraqi officers in Baghdad so i spoke with alot of PSD guys over there

Thanks for all your help mate

Craig
 

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Sean,

there are loads of providers in the UK at the mo, some good some awful. As CO19 said a good provider will keep in touch with and in some circumstances find work (if they network in the right places) for some of the better candidates.

Have a look at Welcome to DSG Consultants - Close Protection, Residential Security and Event Management they are what they say they are, have been around for a few years and of the last course of 8, 7 have been given work, 2 of them full time RST.

Good luck notwithstanding.

JR
 
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