mattlock44
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Hi guys i'm looking to take on some key holding as part of our bus., can anyone tell me if i'd be breaking the law by carrying cs spray on a call out.
What you could do is just simply use Bouncer Spray and aim for the face
Im not really clued up on firearms and all that sorta thing, but Niton999 offer a "defensive spray" course. As i said, im not the info king of these sorta courses so i don't know what it entitles you to do
Hi guys i'm looking to take on some key holding as part of our bus., can anyone tell me if i'd be breaking the law by carrying cs spray on a call out.
Hi guys i'm looking to take on some key holding as part of our bus., can anyone tell me if i'd be breaking the law by carrying cs spray on a call out.
... and some you have to attend a course beofre you can prchase it - it does depend on what police force as to whether decide to prosecute use or not.
Did you consider going to an intervention course? Verbal Judo? Or maybe some defensive tactics course? There are previous threads on CS/CN/ OC etc etc etc use the search bar and you will find all the debates.
In my opinion this is the way of the future.
Tapmaster
Legal definition of a firearm:
"Any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing"
A spray to be deemed a firearm would have to meet each point in that definition which quite clearly all available sprays in the UK do not; or they would not be available in the UK!
Though the police can choose to prosecute I'd think it unlikely the CPS would let it get to court and even more unlikely a conviction be secured if it did, on the basis of that single definition alone.
Speaking to a few officers; most think you are more likely to be convicted if you hit them with the bottle (outside of reasonable force) than spraying them with the contents.
Funny thing is sprays which contain alcohol used to spray someone in the face is more likely to fit the definition of a firearm than the available sprays because they do indeed fire a noxious substance which is harmful and by doing so the spray would be deemed an offensive weapon on the definition of an offensive weapon; possibly competing the offence of using a firearm!
Though it's doubted that would stick. Common sense and all.
Only point I don't agree with there is 'having' to do a course to use these things. Unless its provided for in law, you don't 'have' to do anything.
I always used to have a heavy (Maglite) Torch with me since you can't wear arms , sprays and the like, the long heavy version of the torch
If it's a weapon you need , take the one legal weapon with you at all times.
We also used porto's for that
(since way back we still used the old heavy portos, i love the old communications devices for that reason)
About Krav Maga , i so want to train more in that , i seen it , some techniques are already familiar to me ,i would love to expand my knowledge and diversity in techniques.
There's no trainers/schools anywhere near here tho