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e-petition to UK Government to increase standards in Close Protection training

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Dear All,

I have created an 'e-petition' that has been submitted to the UK Government for approval prior to being posted within 7 days. I would be grateful that should you agree with me for you to sign to support me and the security industry in moving forward - increasing standards where required, specifically those standards in the Close Protection sector. Without your kind signatures of each and everyone of you we will not be able to make moves to see our industry improve for the better.

I will notify of the e-petition being open. Many thanks in advance.

Richard Aitch

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Ivan67

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Well I support what your doing, however the site states I must be a UK resident to sign. I do plan on following this though, with as many people who complain about the SIA it should have one million signatures. Unless they are just people who love to run their mouth and do nothing about it, I hope not. It would be nice to see an example set somewhere.
 

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I just went back and had another look at this. It runs until 2014, which is wonderful. How many signatures does one need to gain full attention? I do not just mean "OK we will look into this", I mean an office takes serious notice in the matter and appoints a group with direct involvement to address everything. Or am I asking for too much.
 
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I just went back and had another look at this. It runs until 2014, which is wonderful. How many signatures does one need to gain full attention? I do not just mean "OK we will look into this", I mean an office takes serious notice in the matter and appoints a group with direct involvement to address everything. Or am I asking for too much.
For a nationwide petition I believe the norm is 15,000 signatories before the question is brought before the House of Commons. However, there has to be lateral understanding to the specialist sector and the numbers involved and I'm hoping the percentage of signatories after 12 months will suffice in bringing attention to the matter.
 

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For a nationwide petition I believe the norm is 15,000 signatories before the question is brought before the House of Commons. However, there has to be lateral understanding to the specialist sector and the numbers involved and I'm hoping the percentage of signatories after 12 months will suffice in bringing attention to the matter.
15K, that is a very easy figure to hit. In some countries one needs 250K.

This is not just limited to holders only then. Something such as this could be a public campaign set up right on the street by Close Protection World or whom ever, what ever group involved in the industry in the UK. Just takes a few tables, laptops and informed professionals who want to see their home industry improve. Signatures would roll in. A million signatures should be a very easy number to hit, it is simple industry professionals want change, public affected wants change, customers want change... It may not be the change everyone is looking for but certainly all could agree that any change for the better right now would do good. From a scholarly point of view anyone with an education in Poli Sci, Law or CJ could see the potential for this as the UK was once the backbone in theoretical practice of these areas and still is on many basics or advanced models.

Just my thoughts on this Rich but I think to make a branded impact you would need some campaign backing in the form of money, personnel (volunteer), time and assets to really get the well rounded attention this deserves. Now I may not care personally for you but it is your show and I support change for the good.

I am sure there is some law out there with a monetary donation cap towards such a campaign, any ideas as to what that would be. I am ready right now to make a donation. In fact I think anyone who has ever complained about the industry no matter what country you live in should be ready to contribute to the support of this right now. It can not go more tits up than it already is, also if you look back between 1860-1960's the backbone was set by UK agencies & universities in Poli Sci, Law and CJ. Still today a person who studies these will learn about this from the UK. This may take as long as a decade, perhaps longer but it is a start and the faster we start, the sooner it is developed and a working model is put into action.

On another note, I am sure this will come up in this topic some how. I would find it very poor for anyone from CPW to feel they should have some kind of Profiteering roll in this. It has nothing to do with the business of CPW and they could support it or not, but standing between it would just be bad manners.

Just thoughts, Rich your keep my donation as anonymous as possible and I would love to help. Meaning I do not need some banner on my profile or public recognition in any way, I am just happy someone competent is stepping up.
 

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All signed and hats off to you Rich for pushing this totally agree think the bar should be raised to a higher level in our industry.

Alex.
 

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One question if i may ( with my ltd background ) in this section

can i ask what if this works would happen to the CPs with sub standard yraining from the shall we say bottum feeders ( Vs saying not mine)

Will this mean that they will have have to retain once a better level has been set.

Just a question as you know im not CP but im sure one or two maybe thinking this.

Ed
 
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Good question Ed and that is something that will have to be determined at the time.

(If) standards are to be raised through the implementation/ inclusion of bread & butter training objectives currently omitted then I would imagine that all those that were previously licensed under the original training requirements would either have to enter a 'CPD' style process involving attendance of that specific subject matter or 're-train'. There also remains the possibility of course that those already licensed would not have to attend any further training as they had already met the requirements of their license. It would then possibly remain a state of when their license expires that an issue is drawn based on the date of their initial training content.

Let's not digress into the intricacies of process for the time being but concentrate on actually getting to the place of having the luxury to determine the process in the first place.

As there are (40,000) members on here I am hoping for about 4,000 signatories from this site alone. As has already been said, if nothing comes of fruition from this e-petition at least it will have been an interesting project to determine how many actually step up and be counted out of all the one's that complained about the current standards over recent years.


Have you signed yet?



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For those that maybe concerned re your details being placed in the 'public domain', please do not be concerned. I or no one else other than HM Gov can see the list.


Rich H
 
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