Gold Dealer Escorting

Hi Wookie

We have done this in the past and from our experience of CVIT and speaking to the SIA, the lic is only required for uniformed escorting. If you are plain clothed then our take on it is that you are OK.

The other thing to consider is where you are moving the Au from and too. There may be restrictions across borders that may hinder you. Much of this should be your clients responsibility, however if you are deemed to be part of his party you could be implicated.

I am sure your client is aware of this and has safeguared himself, but one of our responsibilities when moving Au is to safeguard the contents from those mining it! They (certain countries) are masters of deception! The horror stories of moving gold dust are very true, you watch the parcel be assayed (tested for purity), sealed and then opened at the refinery. The parcel has never leftyour sight, but when opened and tested again it is sand! This has never happened to us, but it has to a mutual friend, an ex booty!

We have done this all over the world, so if you want anymore advice please feel free to give us a call or PM us and we would be delighted to help if we can.

Best wishes and Merry Christmas

Longmoor Group
[url]www.longmoor-group.com[/URL]
 
If you have a good team take the task !
If you start think abaut SIA licence imagine how many licences you need if in your task is need travel from one coutrie to another .
Containment information and discretion are 90% for mission success .
The quality of each member from the protection team bring part of the other missing 10% .
With these two factors until in the back of a donkey you can trasport gold and accomplish the task successfully .
Sometimes a lot of visibility can bring a bitter taste .
The selection of the car chooses the most common model four-door with a reasonable engine power .
Certificate that the engine is in good shape.
If you get stuck in traffic does not attract attention and have the power of the car in case of requirement.
Good luck mate !

Assault on the armored car in the south of Minas Gerais, near Caramel Waterfall Brasil

YouTube - ASSALTO CARRO-FORTE

Our Regards
 
Guys,

I came in a bit late on this, but I feel obliged to make a few brief points.

1. CViT Licencing. If you are being employed for the purposes of CViT by the owner of the property, and you are taking temporary possession of that property (basically signing & insuring it), then a CViT licence is required. Longmoor were incorrectly advised by the SIA, the fact that someone is not in uniform is immaterial.

2. A decent insurace company will detail the conditions under which the consignment is transported. It may be that the consignment is not covered during transportation, in which case a CViT company would be required (to take possession & insure as '1' above). The insurance for such jobs by a self-employed individual is astronomical.

3. Set-up / Inside agents etc. I appreciate that your employer varies days, times etc, but there's always someone on the inside who will give out info to the bad guys for the right price, or obtain employment with a view to gaining this info. This applies from staff at the European source to staff at your bosses office, all of whom will know when and why he shoots off to Europe for a couple of days. Too many people know which makes you very vulnerable. Mainland Europe sees CViT attackers 'sandwiching' security vehices and using explosives on them, regardless of who's inside. Following & taking a pop at a civilian vehicle in the services would be a cinch. Is it worth the risk?

4. Businesmen. Don't we love them. If there is one thing I have learnt since leaving HMF, it's that (aside from personal protection?), practically all businessmen will cut corners in favour of profit, to the benefit of the company or themselves. That first corner is normally Risk. Unfortunately you only know the 1st corner that your boss is cutting, that is the cost saving exercise of not having the consignment transported by a CViT company!

Good luck!

Happy New Year to one and all!
 
To me in this instance its clearly a cp job but no type of secure car or protection and he has that amount of gold on him?

MY i ask how is the payment structure? whos taking care of insurance? are you absolved of all liability if stuff goes wrong
 
All,

Pitchblack - Solid comment mate. Gold price as at about two minutes ago was £23.84 per gram making "about 100kg" worth more than two point three million quid. I hope your insurance is up to it. Scrutinise the sh1t out of your contract (assuming there is one) and if you are responsible for the insurance of the product as well as the client, walk away.

You are a door supervisor not a bullion escort specialist. This dude could be setting you up for a fall. (I appear to be as cynical as the rest, hurray for cynicism)

Stay Safe

Dave T
 
Do not sign for the gold, as DT says, thats a bit of a large quantity, a bit suspicious as well, sounds like cynicism is the best thing here, does this qlient do this often and for a recognised name? If not id pass on it. Just my Personal opinion though mate.
 
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Team13-security Valuables in Transit & Close Protection

Team13-Security said:
If you have a good team take the task !
If you start think abaut SIA licence imagine how many licences you need if in your task is need travel from one coutrie to another .
Containment information and discretion are 90% for mission success .
The quality of each member from the protection team bring part of the other missing 10% .
With these two factors until in the back of a donkey you can trasport gold and accomplish the task successfully .
Sometimes a lot of visibility can bring a bitter taste .
The selection of the car chooses the most common model four-door with a reasonable engine power .
Certificate that the engine is in good shape.
If you get stuck in traffic does not attract attention and have the power of the car in case of requirement.
Good luck mate !

Assault on the armored car in the south of Minas Gerais, near Caramel Waterfall Brasil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oI6wdBkKZ4&feature=related
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Wording from the SIA Website:
A Cash and Valuables in Transit licence is required when guarding property against destruction or damage, against being stolen or against being otherwise dishonestly taken or obtained, involving the secure transportation of property in vehicles specially manufactured or adapted so as to have secure transportation as their primary function.
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To me, this means a CViT licence is NOT required as it is using a civilian vehicle. The vehicle is not "specially manufactured or adapted so as to have secure transportation as their primary function." If it was, the guy hiring you would have needed this on all of the other jobs he has already done.

As most others have said, your specific role will advise what license (if any) is required. The wording for a CP License is if you are protecting the other party "against assault or against injuries that might be suffered in consequence of the unlawful conduct of others." then the CP license will be required.

Source (CViT): Who Needs a Cash and Valuables in Transit Licence?
Source (CP): Who Needs a Close Protection Licence?

Regards,
Luke
 
Wookie747, me old china

It just so happens that this is a line of business I deal in, (not a lot though I admit). Having done lots of research prior to starting up my company, and covering jobs like the one you mentioned, I wondered the same as yee!
It appears that, (and I have had it confirmed in ink) that, it is the means of transportation that deem wether or not you would require a CVIT licence. ie, if the vehicle is made for those purposes then yes you need the license but if it is a standard vehicle...you dont! random hey?
Be careful with liabilities and insurance though, thats where I would say you now need to focus your efforts....what if you loose the gear or get set up and done over? What protective bags / kit are YOU wearing / carrying?
Good luck pal
Hope this has helped
 
As you may not be aware, you need to hold a CP licence. This comes under the Asset Protection bracket. Not only are you looking after the Client but his consignment of Gold. If you do a risk assesment for the movement of the shipment, then you are at the mercy of the SIA for carrying out CP duties. Sorry but that is just my thoughts on this matter.
 
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