how to deal with gypsies fighting in the club?
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metallica-fish
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i see this has turned in the old vs new style door supervisor
while we are arguing which is better, i still don't know how to deal with gypsies hahaha
in all seriousness when there is just a few of them, talking to them, getting to know them as soon as the night kicks off is the best way to go.
as for large amounts of folk, mix in drugs, heavy drinking, loud music, and the only thing to do is step back and let them get on with it
while we are arguing which is better, i still don't know how to deal with gypsies hahaha
in all seriousness when there is just a few of them, talking to them, getting to know them as soon as the night kicks off is the best way to go.
as for large amounts of folk, mix in drugs, heavy drinking, loud music, and the only thing to do is step back and let them get on with it
And threaten to rip the DJ a new a*s*h*le if he even THINKS about putting any Irish folksongs on!
colonel45155
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Gypsies normally police themselves in my experience, I've been in a few scuffles with them coming from Ireland - but 90% of the time, if you get them in the venue the best thing you can do is look and see who the head poncho is, normally uncle Jessie or someone, he's the guy you need to befriend before anything kicks off, you'll find he will be on your side and kick grandson Jethro into line for falling out with cousin Jill.
You need to get Jethro on your side
You need to get Jethro on your side
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Brengunner
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Im afraid the old school ways are the best when dealing with gypsies/travellers, and thats like some have said, go for the older guys in the group (they have a pecking order) this will always help but its a fine line between getting them on side or being seen to lick arse, and if your going to do this make sure your not a jacket filler! you need to look the part or they will just lead you on and feck you off once theyve given you the run around.
I find it hard to write down how i would do it but like many on this forum after a long time doing the job, you just learn and you find out what works and what doesnt, but as simple as i can put it.....1) show repect.....2) build the relationship slowly if you can.......3) deal with other tasks within the venue professinally and quickly and in a team (they are always looking for a weakness!).......4) when tested stand firm....but....give them an out.....if you dont you will give them one choice and that is to kick off coz they wont loose face but this will depend on the percentages, they will weigh up how many of them and how many of you and if they think youve been fair or not, if youve dealt with them right and it goes off they will remember this!
Anyways if this doesnt work.............rip them in half and fight the pair on them...........
Regards, Brengunner............Stay Safe!
I find it hard to write down how i would do it but like many on this forum after a long time doing the job, you just learn and you find out what works and what doesnt, but as simple as i can put it.....1) show repect.....2) build the relationship slowly if you can.......3) deal with other tasks within the venue professinally and quickly and in a team (they are always looking for a weakness!).......4) when tested stand firm....but....give them an out.....if you dont you will give them one choice and that is to kick off coz they wont loose face but this will depend on the percentages, they will weigh up how many of them and how many of you and if they think youve been fair or not, if youve dealt with them right and it goes off they will remember this!
Anyways if this doesnt work.............rip them in half and fight the pair on them...........
Regards, Brengunner............Stay Safe!
doorstaff28
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Ok, firstly the dealing with gypsies issue.... either dont ever let a pikey come drinking in your pub or club or if they want to hire it out ask for a £20,000 grand deposit and see what happens
secondly the issue of old school vs new school.... although there is a sterotype of old school that will forever tarnish bouncers, or whatever you want to call us, I would hands down work with the old school any day of the week rather than the s.i.a crew....
I never worked pre s.i.a as i started working in 2007, but the vast majority of people that the s.i.a is or has bought into the industry is incredible damaging! true there are some good badged up people like me
working in the industry but theres also tons and tons of crap! a huge amount of knowledge and experience has been wasted by getting rid of the old school...also prye dont put a lot of faith in restraints! they only work if you are physically stronger than the indervidual you are dealing with, or theres 2 or 3 of you dealing with one aggressor! and this is the problem, in an ideal world there would always be 3 d.s for one aggressor then the politically correct nampy pampy techniques can work, but if its just you vs the local turkish steorid dealer then its a pre emptive strike every time! they cant hurt you if their unconcious can they
Restraints in my lingo is also the political correctness for 'pain compliance'. no matter how strong you are, how much of a beefcake you are, the correct points on your body will still have effect, be it under arm, goose neck, dead leg, behind the ear, pressure point attack. Cause pain to create compliance, put on restraints technique - be a locked arm, half nelson (not full) etc etc theres whole bunches of 'restraints' out there which don't always depend on you being stronger. One person says this, another says that.
As we get told in Krav all the time "its not about strength its about technique" which to most extent is true, but strength does come in use
colonel45155
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I'm five foot six and I'm the one everyone goes for when they kick off, never underestimate anyone based on size, I treat everyone as a potential cage fighter, the ones to watch are the wee guys drinking water at the nightclub bar, they can be there just to have a go at the door staff.
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You just described little chris and peter Allen to a T.
Thank god they're on our side.
Well said, As all we are seeing now is Job Centre Doormen who are only doing job because job centre forced them to, and talk about ****ing unless. Their arse nips at the sound of a raised voice and can't handle themselves. Just because they have a Micky Mouse SIA licance does not mean they can do the job. As for the Course I helping a friend run one not so back and out of a class of 32 I'd employ 2 as the rest we're only fit for static guard work at a push or they could only speak basic English. Old Skool any day over a Road House Wannabe.
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When I used to be involved in training, this was the scene every single course. You would be lucky to find 2 who could be door staff.
Back to the subject of gypsies, I had to do a gypsie eviction the other week. Came over the radio that a bunch had set up camp on property, so I was dispatched to check it all out and liase back with control. Turn up and control asks me to tell them to move along, now we are talking about 1 female, 2 dogs (I think they were dogs, more like bears..) and 5 males. 1 caravan no verichle. The person I was working with is useless, scared of conflict and talking, however spikes things off and doesn't even realise he's been rude. Anyway, Single handedly I spoke to the female and got on the good side, told them the situation straight, and they were gone. Not a fowl word or threat. New school won
colonel45155
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Catch yourself on you muppet. Reading that makes me want to punch you myself... Jesus wept!
Security is more about diffusion rather than aggression, did you not learn that on whatever course you have done? I'd love to see you at a football match, one of the most volatile situations possible.
Talk is cheap, remember there's always someone better and if he's not then he may have a party of 30 with him, go 3x3 with them.
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colonel45155
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And just to add, that with that attitude you will be getting your colleagues in trouble too. How long have you been doing doors? I'll bet not long and if you actually are on the doors you won't be long there...
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When you have a group of lumps fighting,lets see where your new school "Please stop fighting" As thats what I was told on my SIA Micky Mouse Course. Where just being able to spell your own name gets you a licence. SIA SUPPLYING SHIRT FILLERS SINCE 2004.
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colonel45155
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Good luck mate, you will need it. (the expression you're looking for is 'jacket filler') So many times I've seen people that think they're 'harder' or 'better' than everyone else. I agree that an SIA badge won't make anyone good at their job, I've never said it would. May I ask what your plan of action would be when the shit hits the fan? Just batter everyone? You'd not be welcome on any of my teams. We PREVENT conflict whenever possible, does that make me soft?
You sound like you have something to prove, don't worry about it mate, I'm sure your dick's average size, you don't need to prove it to people on the internet.
Col out.
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I've been working 21yrs on doors. Don't tell me the Job centre got yours as you was one of them thick #nuts# who couldn't do anything else so they paid for your course and I bet you wank over your license and carry it with you 24/7 as you think your a rent a cop. Trouble is ##########.
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colonel45155
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I've been working 21yrs on doors. Don't tell me the Job centre got yours as you was one of them thick cunts who couldn't do anything else so they paid for your course and I bet you wank over your license and carry it with you 24/7 as you think your a rent a cop. Trouble is with you middle aged, pot bellied men getting a license, thinking your something your not a part from a ****ing joke. Stick to being a Keyboard warrior as your better at that,than security by the sounds of it. Plus your wife doesn't have a problem with my cock size
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I do apologise if my last couple of posts were above your intelligence quota. Col out.
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Customloads
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OK Chaps, calm down. Remember this is a professional board.
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