Iba course romania
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It seemed like a normal request to me you know who I am, I thought that is what two people do when they are having a communication, they talk from a mutual understanding of who they believe each other to be.
The whole forum might be able to read what we are saying that is the whole point of forums, you haven’t asked a general question you have asked a questions of me, by my invitation.
Being open is about being held accountable for your actions, at the moment I cant see how that works when I don’t know who you are.
I will try to explain to you so you can better understand my position, I was approached by some one that use the Arrse website and they said they would like to ask some questions, so I sent of my answers to there questions and lo and behold a version appears on the website that are not my full answers but a cut and paste version.
If we can both compromise a bit we can have an open communication, I am not saying you have to go public on the forum with your name, as long as you are prepared to prove who you are as I have done to you.
As a show of good will on my part, I can say that I am still a member of the International Bodyguard Association so there for have not severed links with that Association.
Regards
Duncan.
It seemed like a normal request to me you know who I am, I thought that is what two people do when they are having a communication, they talk from a mutual understanding of who they believe each other to be.
The whole forum might be able to read what we are saying that is the whole point of forums, you haven’t asked a general question you have asked a questions of me, by my invitation.
Being open is about being held accountable for your actions, at the moment I cant see how that works when I don’t know who you are.
I will try to explain to you so you can better understand my position, I was approached by some one that use the Arrse website and they said they would like to ask some questions, so I sent of my answers to there questions and lo and behold a version appears on the website that are not my full answers but a cut and paste version.
If we can both compromise a bit we can have an open communication, I am not saying you have to go public on the forum with your name, as long as you are prepared to prove who you are as I have done to you.
As a show of good will on my part, I can say that I am still a member of the International Bodyguard Association so there for have not severed links with that Association.
Regards
Duncan.
Duncan. I monitor ARRSE on a regular basis particularly the Castleshort thread, I don't recollect having seen any posts where you have been quoted, perhaps you can cut and past the offending post and provide a link? ( Unlike CPW you do not need to be a member to carry out such a task )
To help you, here is the most recent thread. [url]http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=124516/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html[/URL]
I respect the fact that you have made an entrance in order to fight the corner of the IBA, however, by doing so you make it clear that you're links with Shortt still exist. We all know that he would sell his grandmother if it got him out of trouble, so why the loyalty?
Unfortunately Jim' has 'something' on everyone that might be in a position to come forward with evidence of his alleged illegal activities, some of which have recently re-caught they eye of officials in the ROI and other more sensitive organisations.
Hi Lepard
the e-mail was way back probably in Volume II, no idea where it is now and even less inclined to look for it.
It is not my intention to fight the corner of the IBA regardless of what we are doing, in fact I do not ever know who the representative of the IBA in Romania is, the point I was trying to make was how can all theses people make a valid comment about the IBA course in Romania from the UK, with out the relevant knowledge.
What I am saying is how can a guy or gal make a comment on a course in another country with out seeing the relevant materials, that evidence the courses learning out comes and if they are met correctly, theses reports need to come from an independent person trained in that assessment, not some one that is just expressing there subjective opinion (that is only part of the evidence).
Why the loyalty? Good question I will try to answer it as well as I can, I believe in the methodology that I have been taught, I believe in my interpretation of that, I believe in the IBA code of conduct, I believe in the sprit of camaraderie that I have been part of through out the world.
I am not blinkered, I certainly don’t worship the ground Jim walks on (he wouldn’t want me to any how I am sure) I do how ever believe in Jims Knowledge, and skills as a Close Protection Officer.
I don’t really think that we all know that Jim would sell his grandmother, I am not defending him he might well, I don’t know that’s my point.
We really need to stick to what we know and not add our little bits, I find it completely illogical that anybody that has been in the CP/BG world for 30 odd years is thought to know nothing.
As I have said in the past it is not my place to defend Jim and I have no plans to do so, I just think that we need to be a bit more objective in our comments and the analysis of those things we are commenting on.
Regards
Duncan
the e-mail was way back probably in Volume II, no idea where it is now and even less inclined to look for it.
It is not my intention to fight the corner of the IBA regardless of what we are doing, in fact I do not ever know who the representative of the IBA in Romania is, the point I was trying to make was how can all theses people make a valid comment about the IBA course in Romania from the UK, with out the relevant knowledge.
What I am saying is how can a guy or gal make a comment on a course in another country with out seeing the relevant materials, that evidence the courses learning out comes and if they are met correctly, theses reports need to come from an independent person trained in that assessment, not some one that is just expressing there subjective opinion (that is only part of the evidence).
Why the loyalty? Good question I will try to answer it as well as I can, I believe in the methodology that I have been taught, I believe in my interpretation of that, I believe in the IBA code of conduct, I believe in the sprit of camaraderie that I have been part of through out the world.
I am not blinkered, I certainly don’t worship the ground Jim walks on (he wouldn’t want me to any how I am sure) I do how ever believe in Jims Knowledge, and skills as a Close Protection Officer.
I don’t really think that we all know that Jim would sell his grandmother, I am not defending him he might well, I don’t know that’s my point.
We really need to stick to what we know and not add our little bits, I find it completely illogical that anybody that has been in the CP/BG world for 30 odd years is thought to know nothing.
As I have said in the past it is not my place to defend Jim and I have no plans to do so, I just think that we need to be a bit more objective in our comments and the analysis of those things we are commenting on.
Regards
Duncan
Duncan are you still using the title of "Sir Duncan White" or have you been stripped of your Knighthood by the great Baron himself.
The lack of transparency in the IBA and grandoise titles and fake awards has made an awful lot of folk very cautious about engagement with anything at all that is linked to or indeed is co-branded with the IBA.
Look forward to your reply
Stay safe
Hi Lepard
I think that is a bit above Jims pay grade, I understand that the correct title is chevalier, as it comes from the Vatican it hangs in my office it has the numbered code on the back that is unique to it and signed by the cardinal, if some one has a problem with what I did to be granted that honor, maybe they should take it up with the person who saw fit to award it to me.
I digress, some what but I felt it needed a reply, can you be a bit more specific about the lack of transparency comment, the IBA is a big association and I have only been responsible for parts of it, those parts as far as I am aware went through the same vetting process as every other training provider.
I do understand that some people are very cautious over investing there hard earned cash and rightly so, the problem I feel is what is that based on usually the comments made on websites, the training is part of the education system of the UK, please let some one show me one bit of evidence that confirms that what is being taught is wrong.
Regards
Duncan.
I think that is a bit above Jims pay grade, I understand that the correct title is chevalier, as it comes from the Vatican it hangs in my office it has the numbered code on the back that is unique to it and signed by the cardinal, if some one has a problem with what I did to be granted that honor, maybe they should take it up with the person who saw fit to award it to me.
I digress, some what but I felt it needed a reply, can you be a bit more specific about the lack of transparency comment, the IBA is a big association and I have only been responsible for parts of it, those parts as far as I am aware went through the same vetting process as every other training provider.
I do understand that some people are very cautious over investing there hard earned cash and rightly so, the problem I feel is what is that based on usually the comments made on websites, the training is part of the education system of the UK, please let some one show me one bit of evidence that confirms that what is being taught is wrong.
Regards
Duncan.
me?
Hi Duncan.
Your last two replies were incorrectly addressed at me, try looking at the name of the poster regarding the mention of transparency and your title. (Attention to detail etc)
BTW a nice little article has appeared in the Phoenix Magazine and coppied to ARRSE
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None taken.
You seem a little concerned that ARRSE and others are on your case? This is not so, I believe you and your courses are respected where you have been personally involved. However, I believe you will become collateral damage if you do not dissociate yourself with Shortt and you need a bigger name change than the last 'alteration' you made with companies house more recently. I'm assured that sooner or later you are likely to be issued a sopena, the same goes for a bloke in the US who is also likely to find himself in the the same position when the Soviet Vet's catch up with him. See attached and note the last three lines.
BTW I'm not adverse to a PM but an email at this stage in our love affair is a no no.
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Duncan,
You make some good points in posts of yours I've read. Trouble is, I think you may have been lead to believe that people (myself included) are saying avoid the IBA at all costs as a dig or gripe at you personally, which is actually not correct at all. I have not seen anyone write anywhere that you personally provide crap training. What I have read in various sources is you personally are a good instructor and course students have respect for you. So well done for that.
What we have all seen is the head of the association you represent exposed as a fraud. We have also seen many claims Shortt has made proved to be lies. Jimbo may well be telling IBA members to have faith and believe he is telling them the truth, and that media sources have published untruths about him.
But really, does Jim Shortt honestly think media sources don't consult thier legal departments prior to publication and make sure they are not putting themselves in a position where Jim Shortt could successfully sue over publications.
It is for those reasons many people (myself included) will say to anyone avoid getting involved with the IBA if you want your career to stay intact.
Jim Shortt makes claims the IBA was founded in Paris in 1957, but where is the proof, so it can be authenticated as a true or false claim.
Jim Shortt claims Lucien Ott was something special, again where is the proof that can be authenticated. Jim Shortt makes a lot of claims about himself and the IBA history, none of which has he actually provided proof that can be authenticated & verified by independent parties.
What he has and does provide is a couple of documents that in the real world when looked into amount to nothing. What Jim Shortt has done is break laws in the UK and abroad, and he has violated the IBA code of ethics, and yet he still heads the association people like yourself represent.
In a previous post you mentioned about the vetting proceedure the IBA has successfully passed. How stringent is that vetting process and when was it carried out? pre or post shortt fraud exposure, which country was it carried out in and how often are repeat vetting checks carried out, as the IBA has offices overseas are those offices also vetted, are IBA trading accounts in all countries it trades in audited indivdually and as a group set of accounts as part of that same vetting process. I suspect not, therefore the vetting process mentioned is not that vetted at all. Sounds very low rated vetting to me.
You may not agree with anything I'm saying or asking Duncan, which is quite acceptable seeing as IBA provides you a income, but realistically if people within the IBA don't want to be dragged into something Jim Shortt started, then they should either walk away from him or get rid of him.
The attachment below is a media article that was published today, it does not portray the IBA in any decent way at all, it's not the wrong doing of the publication or of any IBA persons like yourself, it's Jim Shortt who is dragging the IBA name into disrepute and the decent IBA members are loosing respect in the employment market because they are sticking their heads in the ground by letting Shortt wreck the association that is meant to act in its best interest for all it's members, not simply controlled by one person alone dictating terms from his little fox hole.
In my opinion, if Jim Shortt had any respect for you and any other IBA member and the association itself, he would have resigned in shame long ago when he first bought the IBA into disrepute via his gross misconduct through his actions. Jim Shortt does not have the courage to admit he is a fraud, because he would rather lie to everyone and have his pockets lined by obtaining a percunary advantage through deception.
It is for those all reasons why so many people will say avoid the IBA weather or not the person has been on a IBA training course is not the issue, its a matter of giving as many people as possible the heads up on Jim Shortt and his dodgy bogus ways.
(btw excuse all my grammar & spelling errors, it's been a very long few days on tired eyes)
You make some good points in posts of yours I've read. Trouble is, I think you may have been lead to believe that people (myself included) are saying avoid the IBA at all costs as a dig or gripe at you personally, which is actually not correct at all. I have not seen anyone write anywhere that you personally provide crap training. What I have read in various sources is you personally are a good instructor and course students have respect for you. So well done for that.
What we have all seen is the head of the association you represent exposed as a fraud. We have also seen many claims Shortt has made proved to be lies. Jimbo may well be telling IBA members to have faith and believe he is telling them the truth, and that media sources have published untruths about him.
But really, does Jim Shortt honestly think media sources don't consult thier legal departments prior to publication and make sure they are not putting themselves in a position where Jim Shortt could successfully sue over publications.
It is for those reasons many people (myself included) will say to anyone avoid getting involved with the IBA if you want your career to stay intact.
Jim Shortt makes claims the IBA was founded in Paris in 1957, but where is the proof, so it can be authenticated as a true or false claim.
Jim Shortt claims Lucien Ott was something special, again where is the proof that can be authenticated. Jim Shortt makes a lot of claims about himself and the IBA history, none of which has he actually provided proof that can be authenticated & verified by independent parties.
What he has and does provide is a couple of documents that in the real world when looked into amount to nothing. What Jim Shortt has done is break laws in the UK and abroad, and he has violated the IBA code of ethics, and yet he still heads the association people like yourself represent.
In a previous post you mentioned about the vetting proceedure the IBA has successfully passed. How stringent is that vetting process and when was it carried out? pre or post shortt fraud exposure, which country was it carried out in and how often are repeat vetting checks carried out, as the IBA has offices overseas are those offices also vetted, are IBA trading accounts in all countries it trades in audited indivdually and as a group set of accounts as part of that same vetting process. I suspect not, therefore the vetting process mentioned is not that vetted at all. Sounds very low rated vetting to me.
You may not agree with anything I'm saying or asking Duncan, which is quite acceptable seeing as IBA provides you a income, but realistically if people within the IBA don't want to be dragged into something Jim Shortt started, then they should either walk away from him or get rid of him.
The attachment below is a media article that was published today, it does not portray the IBA in any decent way at all, it's not the wrong doing of the publication or of any IBA persons like yourself, it's Jim Shortt who is dragging the IBA name into disrepute and the decent IBA members are loosing respect in the employment market because they are sticking their heads in the ground by letting Shortt wreck the association that is meant to act in its best interest for all it's members, not simply controlled by one person alone dictating terms from his little fox hole.
In my opinion, if Jim Shortt had any respect for you and any other IBA member and the association itself, he would have resigned in shame long ago when he first bought the IBA into disrepute via his gross misconduct through his actions. Jim Shortt does not have the courage to admit he is a fraud, because he would rather lie to everyone and have his pockets lined by obtaining a percunary advantage through deception.
It is for those all reasons why so many people will say avoid the IBA weather or not the person has been on a IBA training course is not the issue, its a matter of giving as many people as possible the heads up on Jim Shortt and his dodgy bogus ways.
(btw excuse all my grammar & spelling errors, it's been a very long few days on tired eyes)
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So Duncan what was the name of the Cardinal who made you that award & what was it for ............
Team13-Security
Banned
Well it was not the worst drill if I may be honest. There are training providers on here that opens the door with the door between the cp and the vip!!!, and have those pictures on the websites if we are going to be looking for dirt/shit on training itself we can look on the other companies/associations aswell and just from a google search I find lots of bad pics/drills so in my eyes there is no need for slagging training.
Its not my wish to do so, nor in anyones interest I guess to see your company drills on the forum where people is looking for errors.
The point here is to get Jim short away from the organisation so it can recover
and that will be in the members best interest
Hawk
Its not my wish to do so, nor in anyones interest I guess to see your company drills on the forum where people is looking for errors.
The point here is to get Jim short away from the organisation so it can recover
and that will be in the members best interest
Hawk
hawk,i only asumed that this for advertising.so they should get it right.
during training these things can happen,thats why we train.to eleminate these mistakes.but for an advert it is pretty shiiit.stay safe
It would be nice to see all the questions answered, given it was Duncans own invite to put questions to him.
In all fairness though, one can assume he maybe a tad busy alongside Jimbo providing a in depth security review of the Cabinet office now theres a new government in UK.
LMFAOSorry Duncan, but I'm sure you can see the funny side of it with your association to Laural and Hardy (Jim Shortt and Brian Ware).
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Blue skull Soldier
Longterm Registered User
Hi,
Have anybody seen the HCT logo on this video??????? Is this Hostile Control Tactictics from the USA Kevin James??? Can anyone clear this one up for me please??
Torcuss