Irish Army escort cash in transit
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Joeyjordan
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ahhhhh, see... you didnt tell us how much of a valuble asset you would be to us did you. Can you get hold of 2 more for me and mike please, we never thought about concealment.... damn infantry skills are fading fast
Joeyjordan
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HAHAHAHA nice one
In Eastern Europe (Some places)
No army or police escorts. Why? It is easy,get close to the CIT and you will get a bullet. Van is full of armed security. And there's only a minute or two for first responders to be on the scene,also heavily armed,every response unit is 2officers.
Mostly when cash is carried it is carried by 3 officers. 2 with heavy firearms covering the 3d carrying cash.
+armed driver + number of security officer with sub machine guns with the money in the van.
Not always that's the way it works. For example G4S is called dogs bo..ox in most countries. Recently 3million euros where stolen from G4S CIT, and they didn't even have firearms.
Theres no secret in these operations, procedures or practices. They are published on police/security/government webs and are publicly acceptable.
No army or police escorts. Why? It is easy,get close to the CIT and you will get a bullet. Van is full of armed security. And there's only a minute or two for first responders to be on the scene,also heavily armed,every response unit is 2officers.
Mostly when cash is carried it is carried by 3 officers. 2 with heavy firearms covering the 3d carrying cash.
+armed driver + number of security officer with sub machine guns with the money in the van.
Not always that's the way it works. For example G4S is called dogs bo..ox in most countries. Recently 3million euros where stolen from G4S CIT, and they didn't even have firearms.
Theres no secret in these operations, procedures or practices. They are published on police/security/government webs and are publicly acceptable.
It depends on the company and the way they operate. Personally i dont like the way G4S operates and it is clear why.
Other companies do not require government escorts as most companies have their own well trained and armed departments.
Irish security is of poor level and equipped poorly. This is why armed security needed,as far as i see,cause security (private) itself is unarmed and unequipped.
dannyboy489
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When do you reckon the Irish and British governments will let us in the private security industry carry firearms?
I miss the smell of gun oil and cordite!
I miss the smell of gun oil and cordite!
I agree. The attitude toward security in Ireland is generally appalling, it's head in the sand, it'll never happen to us syndrome etc.
Training is not very intensive, and security is generally considered to be a bottom of the food chain, low paying, high staff turn over, type job.
CIT is usually of a better standard, but not much. To arm them would need a lot of training and that's prior to Firearms training, so it is more likely to stay with the Army escorts.
As for keeping it out of the IRA's hands, well, they did rob banks and CIT vans, but not as much as one may think. It was much easier to extort money through protection rackets, running drugs, prostitution and shaking tins in Yank land for the "Cause", all are/were more profitable and less risky. The risk is from organised crime gangs, not all of which are ex-terrorists.
Heno
As you know there are legal reasons for that. Carrying of weapons by civilians or even the police in Ireland is rare. Batons and handcuffs are a new addition to the duty belt of the Police there. Pepper spray and tasers to follow in 20 years time.
There is a psychological objection to weapons, even batons. This goes back to the civil war and the war of ind. from the UK. This of course is among civilised people. The criminals have grenades, pistols, AK´s and anything else you care to imagine.The IRA are fast becoming amateurs in gruesomeness these days.
Arming civilian CIT aint the solution me thinks, it´s about the police going in hard and heavy against these pricks.
Hamster could keep his company in secret as it obvious in which he works if only he says they where robbed. G4S worst company i have ever seen.. EVER. They are only company being robbed and sending their CIT without firearms etc. They are only getting and giving bad image...
As far as i remember at the moment over 2million euros where stolen from CIT's guess what company made CIT... Yep,G4S... That sum was in total.
For example this may be interesting. What kind of security stuff work at G4S i think in few years they will be pain in the ass for the image of the security industry.
Videonaujienos / lrytas.lt
all the guy did - he stole 1 pack of coffee.
As far as i remember at the moment over 2million euros where stolen from CIT's guess what company made CIT... Yep,G4S... That sum was in total.
For example this may be interesting. What kind of security stuff work at G4S i think in few years they will be pain in the ass for the image of the security industry.
Videonaujienos / lrytas.lt
all the guy did - he stole 1 pack of coffee.
Hm.. Just an update..
As the moon shines my brains start to work.. Last time I was on Meeting of Board of Directors in Lithuania i was in need of cash, and seen Bank CIT. it was bank security and all there was 2 guys with pistols and a jeep. Nothing else... Ghm.. Now when i remembered that view, only thing that comes to my mind is security industry became an @$$ world wide..
As the moon shines my brains start to work.. Last time I was on Meeting of Board of Directors in Lithuania i was in need of cash, and seen Bank CIT. it was bank security and all there was 2 guys with pistols and a jeep. Nothing else... Ghm.. Now when i remembered that view, only thing that comes to my mind is security industry became an @$$ world wide..
Years ago, there was a "suggestion" from someone in government to do the same: have paras accompany CVIT. It was shot down (no pun intended) because "the army shouldn't be used against the citizens"... I didn't know criminals willing to shoot dead two guards are counted as "citizens"!
It's a great idea, you have skilled people sitting around bored, might as well put them to work. And I think it'd greatly reduce robberies. Taking on two guards armed with one 9mm pistol each is one thing; taking on those two guards plus eight paras with automatic rifles is something else
I can understand the objection, that the army shouldn't be protecting the money of private corporations, but I think that the message it sends out ("don't f--- with us") is more important than the idea of the army being used by the government "against the own people".
You'd have to have a really big gang to take on the military!
It's a great idea, you have skilled people sitting around bored, might as well put them to work. And I think it'd greatly reduce robberies. Taking on two guards armed with one 9mm pistol each is one thing; taking on those two guards plus eight paras with automatic rifles is something else
I can understand the objection, that the army shouldn't be protecting the money of private corporations, but I think that the message it sends out ("don't f--- with us") is more important than the idea of the army being used by the government "against the own people".
You'd have to have a really big gang to take on the military!
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If you would see some of our security guys and soldier.. The security sends the clear message... DON'T... Army on the other hand says something like "where's my vodka"
Basically from what ive seen its not the number nor the guns or uniform. Its all about the training. If they would fail to rob the CIT's few times they would go for newspaper stands instead
Only bad thing i see in army escorting CIT is budget have you Irish guys checked yearly expenses of government escorts? I did. over 30million half for Gardai and half to PDF.
I could, but what for? You definitely didn't pick up the image of the G4S from my posts, anyone with intention of robbing them would collect all this and even more intel from doing couple of surveillance runs after the CIT van, and the shitheads inside probably wouldn't even notice they're being watched.
Lack of situation training whatsoever (pure theory), employing cousins and the brother's in law son over qualified "man from the street", list goes on.
As Heno said - security is considered to be a bottom of the food chain, low paying, high staff turn over, type job. G4S over here is a PURE example of that. They proudly state in national branches website, that over 80% of their middle to high level employees started as a security guards. Seeing what kind of people actually work for them as security guards, and bearing in mind the fact above, I'd steer well off using their services.
All this of course proves I'm a fcuk up, because I work for that company. Well everyones gotta eat you know. And when it comes to either sitting in that CIT van of fcuk up company, keeping your mouth shut and doing things the way your told to do, or working your ass off as a supermarket security guard, I guess the choice is pretty obvious.
No I didn't
tikrai ne This is national problem
i have half of my family in the government at least half of them are total dumb @$$'es.. unfortunately.. They forgot to mention that some senior managers are convicted and thrown away from VSD or STT and weren't taken anywhere else,but G4S welcomes them
Nesiparink, falkai bentjau turi grazias striukes
If you would see some of our security guys and soldier.. The security sends the clear message... DON'T... Army on the other hand says something like "where's my vodka"
Basically from what ive seen its not the number nor the guns or uniform. Its all about the training. If they would fail to rob the CIT's few times they would go for newspaper stands instead
Only bad thing i see in army escorting CIT is budget have you Irish guys checked yearly expenses of government escorts? I did. over 30million half for Gardai and half to PDF.
Most people see it as money well spent, otherwise you would have millions being robbed by IRA types to fund their "revolution". That is why Army CIT escorts were introduced in the early ´70´s when there was a wave of bank robberies in the Republic by the IRA.
Now they just make money from smuggling, extortion and drugs like any other mafia anywhere else in the world.