Irish Army escort cash in transit

Hi IrishRookie,
Just out of interest (I know this is an old post), do some of the cash-in-transit firms over in Ireland hire South Africans for contract work, or is it all permanent vacancies (if any opens)? My girlfriend will be going over to Ireland in a few months for contract work in a hospital and the thought has crossed my mind to go over as well...

Take care there!
 
We visited Drogeheda to see family and on the day we went walk about there was a CIT drop at the bank, the Army threw a corden around the bank, fully armed with STEYRs and in uniform, nothing low key at all. The only people that seemed to take an interest where the tourists ie us.
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Bulletjie said:
Hi IrishRookie,
Just out of interest (I know this is an old post), do some of the cash-in-transit firms over in Ireland hire South Africans for contract work, or is it all permanent vacancies (if any opens)? My girlfriend will be going over to Ireland in a few months for contract work in a hospital and the thought has crossed my mind to go over as well...

Take care there!
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Hi, try Securicor or Brinks, they seem to be the big firms. Best if you have a work visa or EU citizenship. Unemployment going through the roof though, and not much cash in evidence to be transited, nevertheless good luck in your hunt..:)

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Hi Bulletjie
If you have work permit and PSA licence in CIT, some experience, then it want be a problem, try Brinks, G4S, Omada, they are the biggest.
P.S. Which hospital.. Mater ?? hahaha used to work there few years back.
 
escondido said:
As you know there are legal reasons for that. Carrying of weapons by civilians or even the police in Ireland is rare. Batons and handcuffs are a new addition to the duty belt of the Police there. Pepper spray and tasers to follow in 20 years time.
There is a psychological objection to weapons, even batons. This goes back to the civil war and the war of ind. from the UK. This of course is among civilised people. The criminals have grenades, pistols, AK´s and anything else you care to imagine.The IRA are fast becoming amateurs in gruesomeness these days.
Arming civilian CIT aint the solution me thinks, it´s about the police going in hard and heavy against these pricks.
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just to correct you on a few things there mate, the gardai (police) in Ireland have always had batons and cuffs, and they presently are all issued with pepper spray and are now issued with tasers also. there is also a garda emergency response unit a swat like unit and many armed and semi armed back up units, and all special branch are armed with uzi`s and revolvers.

the armed gardai are also well known for there shoot now ask questions later ideology.
there is no psychological objection to weapons in Ireland quite the contrary.
the reason the majority of gardai are not armed is simply because they do not want to be armed and point blank refuse it.

the reason the army escort cash in transit is because of the old risk of IRA hold ups, which is over taken now by criminal gangs who are very well armed in Ireland.
 
Bulletjie said:
Hi IrishRookie,
Just out of interest (I know this is an old post), do some of the cash-in-transit firms over in Ireland hire South Africans for contract work, or is it all permanent vacancies (if any opens)? My girlfriend will be going over to Ireland in a few months for contract work in a hospital and the thought has crossed my mind to go over as well...

Take care there!
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unemployment in Ireland is close to 500,000 people and rising considering the entire population is around 4 million i wouldnt say theres much work, if you have a work permit you should a job doing somthing but it might not be what you want you have to be flexible, you could always do bouncer/door supervisor
 
Fianna said:
unemployment in Ireland is close to 500,000 people and rising considering the entire population is around 4 million i wouldnt say theres much work, if you have a work permit you should a job doing somthing but it might not be what you want you have to be flexible, you could always do bouncer/door supervisor
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hmmm it does not look good with bouncers aswell... 12e per hour and up to 30 hours per week, after tax its not much...
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Fianna said:
just to correct you on a few things there mate, the gardai (police) in Ireland have always had batons and cuffs, and they presently are all issued with pepper spray and are now issued with tasers also. there is also a garda emergency response unit a swat like unit and many armed and semi armed back up units, and all special branch are armed with uzi`s and revolvers.

the armed gardai are also well known for there shoot now ask questions later ideology.
there is no psychological objection to weapons in Ireland quite the contrary.
the reason the majority of gardai are not armed is simply because they do not want to be armed and point blank refuse it.

the reason the army escort cash in transit is because of the old risk of IRA hold ups, which is over taken now by criminal gangs who are very well armed in Ireland.
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Just to correct you. If you read what I wrote again, concentrate on recent and dutybelt and what I wrote about criminal gangs these days. Truncheons were carried hidden in the pocket until I guess 5 years ago when ASP´s were introduced, and before that even handcuffs were rarely on display and had to be issued on request.
The uzi you mentioned has been phased out in favour of the MP7 which by all accounts is a fine weapon and can counter body armour with it´s 4.6 mm ammo.
But I agree with you on their shoot first policy. The Emergency Response Unit (ERU) is also known as Every Round Used. Nevertheless, it is only the few specialised units who carry weapons openly. Including the Taser. Of course weapons are available in every Garda (police) station to detectives etc. But the point is, that they are not carried openly by practically any Officer, the vast majority of the 15,000 force are uniformed and unarmed. Largely because of resistence to weapons in Irish society in general which filters through to the Gardai.
 
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Just to clarify;uniformed members of the Gardaí have always been equipped with batons, they have routinely carried handcuffs since the '70s. ASP batons were issued in 2007 and OC spray has just been issued. The majority of plainclothes members are armed. Most with SiG pistols some older members with S&W .38s. Special Branch carry UZI sub machine guns as well as their pistols. ERU and RSU are armed with tazers and H&K sub machine guns.
 
dannyboy489 said:
When do you reckon the Irish and British governments will let us in the private security industry carry firearms?

I miss the smell of gun oil and cordite!
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The UK is probably the only country in the world daft enough to send millions down the road without at least some sort of armed backup!:confused:

The fact is criminals will be armed for that type of job....the rest of Europe has armed security guards and speaking from personal experience I would say England is a far more dangerous place than most European countries, with a bigger gang and knife culture aswell.

The association between armed licensed security guards and illegal firearms is a joke, it’s like comparing legal licensed professional work related driving to joy riding.
 
The arguement regarding arming private security in the UK will be ongoing for years. I only know that as many of our European crews are armed, the criminals use (without threat or hesitation) shaped charges / automatic weapons etc during their attacks, which inevitably result in fatalities. If we were to arm our crews over here (UK), what would they and the public face? We can't have ruffians staging street battles outside of Tescos, we're British you know! Technology is the way forward, the use of DNA foggers & mists, dye staining, smartwater etc, to deter the criminals in a non-confrontational way. Believe me, I'd be more than happy to blag a few villians who tried it on, but realistically I just don't see it as being the way ahead.
 
SiB said:
The arguement regarding arming private security in the UK will be ongoing for years. I only know that as many of our European crews are armed, the criminals use (without threat or hesitation) shaped charges / automatic weapons etc during their attacks, which inevitably result in fatalities. If we were to arm our crews over here (UK), what would they and the public face? We can't have ruffians staging street battles outside of Tescos, we're British you know! Technology is the way forward, the use of DNA foggers & mists, dye staining, smartwater etc, to deter the criminals in a non-confrontational way. Believe me, I'd be more than happy to blag a few villians who tried it on, but realistically I just don't see it as being the way ahead.
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I think your right in some ways, the answer does lie in technology. However I think also in society it is far easier to reverse engineer any protocol or system than create it, (e.g every armoured vehicle can be cut like butter with a plasma cutter as well as GPS tracking devices and comm’s can be blocked with jammers) so remember these technologies can also be used against the CIT officer. it is my opinion that the more dependant the system is on technological devises the weaker it actually is, simply because technological devise cannot evolve and adapt to new threats and innovative motivated criminals. I do agree that there are times when criminals use things like explosives and IEDs however in reality especially throughout Europe this has become obsolete, firstly because it is not subtle and would receive a huge public sector response to a bomb going off or from the use of automatic weapons, and secondly to actually acquire high expansion explosives for shape charging is certainly not easy whilst obtaining a silenced pistol really is. As mentioned above things easily acquirable are more likely to be utilised including light firearms and shotguns as well as over the counter construction resources and chemicals. finally I think it is often the case that transported cash is now not being targeted as there are effective systems for tracking the money (re the irland Euro robbery) as well as IR marking chemicals, but now days it is very comment that high valued logistics comprising of commodities such as gold, platinum or diamonds as well as bonds (even though bearer bonds are pretty much finished) or even art are being targeted. The underlying fact is that there are not effective solutions available to the valued transit practitioner in comparison to the resources available to the motivated improvising criminals. and for this reason and this reason alone I would argue that as with any human one has the right to self defence and when faced with an improvised criminal who is already motivated to breaking serious laws as well as endangering yourself and the public (eg covering your armoured truck in petrol) it is quite feasible that one might want to defend your life whilst trying to run away from the threat or await the police who are oblivious to the situation( eg the criminal used a 200m cell phone and gsm/gprs tracker blocker).
I do feel you have raised valid points though and certainly respect your opinion however I am sure the amount of armed crime where CIT officers have been hospitalised or stood at deaths door in uk whilst unarmed is significantly higher in comparison to the amount of criminals or public victims hospitalised or killed by armed CIT officers whilst defending their lives, and in reality i would also suggest that it is a rarity to find unarmed high value robbers as they are already anticipating a public sector armed response, taking this into consideration it is in my opinion sound to say that the increased threat to the public and CIT practitioners of being armed is minuscule compared to the already present and rapidly increasing threat or armed and innovative criminals utilising easily available resources. Finally i would suggest to everyone to think outside the box on this subject, simply because the criminals do whilst legislation does not and only controls the sheeple. it is my personal opinion that High value transit officers should be armed and licensed (acquired through stringent and ongoing training as well as personal checks) as in Europe, not to act as vigilantes but for their own personal protection if faced with a viable threat. I encourage any responses or criticism to my response, after all it is an interesting subject and it is our responsibility to reform the industry primarily through private sector pressure upon the government.

All the best everyone:)
 
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Heno said:
I agree. The attitude toward security in Ireland is generally appalling, it's head in the sand, it'll never happen to us syndrome etc.

Training is not very intensive, and security is generally considered to be a bottom of the food chain, low paying, high staff turn over, type job.
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Just like the u.k then - average door supervisor or security guard is better paid in Eire than in the u.k Heno. True training sucks but so does the training in the u.k.
 
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