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Ryan1991

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Hi everyone

What contains the HECPO PSD CPcourses and all the differents training

exactly ?

To compare between differents tacticals units ,militay

experience/civilian course .

I have experience in the tacticals units

but why do a training course ?

Thanks a lot for your cooperation ;)
 
No doubt we will get all sorts of 'advise and suggestions' and are open to the serious ones from genuinely interested and/or experienced operators but the content of our HECPO/PSD course (with one or two omissions for obvious reasons) follows.

As to the merits of a HECPO/PSD course....... i will let others start the ball rolling!!!

Course Content includes but is not limited to:

PSD and Convoy escort tactics and training
Tactical firearms training
PSD remote medical
Defensive Driving
Counter Assault Drills
Communications training
Insurgency TTPs
Working with Local Nationals/Third Country Nationals
Navigation
Route Selection
Pre Deployment Briefings and Updated Intel
IED Recognition
Combat Indicator Recognition
Employment briefing,CV construction etc

morrigan
 
Ryan, I will start by saying that I have a reasonable amount of military experience myself. I have, however, never done any form of personal protection during my military career (and no, I don't count stagging on the front gate as personal protection!) Just because you have been a soldier does not mean you should be automatically be given a free ride into the commercial security industry. Let's look at the facts, I could have served 22years in the Royal Army Vetinary Corps looking after horses and dogs, does that mean I am competent to join a team of operatives protecting a diplomat in Helmand Province? You will hear a lot of negative opinions about C.P. training on other threads here and they are probably justified but at the end of the day you need to have an understanding of the role you are undertaking before you apply for a position. How else are you going to gain this Knowledge without acheiving a job specific qualification? Although this industry appears to be monopolised by those with a military or law enforcement background this, in my opinion, should not be considered as the "be all and end all". Agreed, the S.I.A minimum requirement (for those working in the U.K.) is a joke but you need to ask yourself a few questions: "Do I have the right skills for the job?", "Can I translate my military experience to the private sector", "Is there anything I don't know that I should to carry out my duties to the required standard?" Even as a rookie I would wager you cannot satisfy those criteria without taking part in some form of recognised training. I do not mean this post to come across as hostile, just feel that there is a complacency among those who have come from a military background. Commercial security work, as far as I am concerned, is not an easy option.
 
Good points. Also consider that your tactical training may not be the same as the guy or team you may be working with. Language, tactics, movements, advances, etc. often vary amongst even those who are considered very professional and experienced. I will relate the difference that I see coming from the law enforcement sector and entereing executive protection.

First off, what is the relationship between protector and principal? That may seem inconsequential, but are you getting paid by a government regardless of how many hours you put in, or are you working hourly and dedicated to preventing everything from attacks on principal to embarrassment? Is this an assigned detail in which you got stuck with or is this a high value client who may reward you with continued employment? Can you transition between uniform and tactical assignments to a low profile corporate environment? Do you understand corporate protocol and etiquette? How much support will you have? What ifs...? Too many to list, but will there be a cavalry to call in or are you on your own? Do you have any special legal authority? Are you armed or not? Do you have a support budget?

Obviously this is only a thumbnail sketch of what a course would cover, but as you can imagine, there is a lot more to the private sector than weapon handling and team tactics. It would never hurt to learn the lessons of others in your chosen field, as well as put some of your own tactical training to use in a modified way.

Jerry
 
Re: Training Question?

Hi Ryan,

here's a question for you....

Would you be prepared to have a go at being a brain surgeon, if you were trained as a butcher?

You (and others) may think this is a harsh analogy, but think about it this way..

With all your military experience, would you be prepared and equipped to deal with the flak and fallout, if you walked into a restaurant as PPO and discovered that there had been a mistake with your principals' reservation,

(..yes, I know the advance party should have cleared the way guys, but work with me here!)

..There was no other available table, your client wasn't (according to the restaurant anyway..) the most important man in the room at the time.. he was hungry, and not known for his compromising nature.....

Its kind of difficult to frag the room, and then fire and move in that situation - don't you think?.

The reason we train for CP, is that CP is not like any other job you will have ever done. Each day is different, each principal is different, each location is different, each team is different.

Professionally delivered, focused training teaches you to deal with (almost) every eventuality.

There is no substitute for good training - ask some of the other members on here.

Good luck.

R.
 
Guys....some excellent reading. A lot of valuable information for someone like myself who is about to do a course....Thanks!!

Pierre
 
Thank you Gentlemen for your answers​

Actually I do not know of any of the CP world, but all HECPO CPO and BG have all followed the CP courses, all personnel of NAVY SEAL ,SBS ,FORCE DELTA, SAS....to cite the most popular and other elite tactical units have taken these courses , no, I do not think so.
Tell me the opposite ;)​

Each day of a mission of a member of an elite unit and its unit is different, each mission is preparing, as I believe in the CP.
Actually a good soldier elite may not be a good or BG HECPO or CPO, which I do not believe, a good soldier elite is a good CPO, but a good CPO has been a good soldier or not, yes or he normally would not do this work
My original question was about the difference between tactical and military CP
I will certainly make me enemies​

Many Thanks
Ryan ;)​
 
Ryan, apolgies for my ignorance but your question remains unclear to me. Please could you explain what you mean by " The difference between tactical and military C.P."
Cheers, Charlie
 
"My original question was about the difference between tactical and military CP"

Ryan..... by this do you mean the difference between Civilian CP and Military CP mate?
 
The military and the elite units around the world learn to shoot, move, observe, communicate, escort, infiltration exflitration ... and many other things so what does make an CP course ?

What are the different techniques other than those learned in the elite units?

I fully understand that this is a full job and military too, and I respect all these great men who put their lives at risk every day, I was.
But tell me what CP courses based , except on education and military techniques taught to civilians without military background and former military​


And last thing
Is that all CPO HECPO PSD ...made CP courses ?​



;)​
 
Ryan, If the question you are asking is why is it necessary for ex-mil personnel to do a C.P. course then RONIN1965 and JMACCAULEY have already answered your question in their previous posts. I will add a couple of points to theirs. As an infantryman my role was "to close with and kill the enemy". To attack not defend, to take lives when necessary not to protect them. The role of the C.P. operator in any environment is to avoid conflict at all costs. To assess the potential risks and put plans into place to deal with any possible threat. I appreciate there are those few out there who have done C.P. whilst in the military but the majority have not. Even those that have, once they go commercial do not have the luxury of getting on the radio when it hits the fan and calling in air support, QRF and the like. It appears to me that military background or not you basically have to re-train from scratch to be able to fully understand the job. Skills learnt in the military may well give you a decent platform to build on but no more than that. Hope that helps answer your question in some way, I am sure there are many others who will be able to give you a far more learned opinion!
 
Ryan my view has long been for the hostile arenas to be left to the exmil blokes and what they know best! However the corporate side of the cp industry is a different kettle of fish entirely!
Lets use 'squaddie humour or lingo' as an example - well we all know what i mean' now ask yourself is it acceptable in the center of london to call your team mate a ****ing cunt? (sorry for being so blatant here but im trying to get a point across!) No it isn't! What im trying to say is corporate security is as much about customer service an making the client look good as it is about keeping them safe. In this game image counts for a great deal and people skills are an integral part of the job in hand.
Training and i dont mean one course that touches on the core compentencies laid out by the SIA or other governing bodies is essential, it all begins with the cp course and then its up to you to build on your skills and keep yourself ahead of the game. In short my opinion is no matter how experienced the operative in his chosen field training is stillvital and with out it the industry will slip further into decline- could a once expert marksman pick up a gun after 10 years and still hit the target first time? Or could a prior marathon runner sit on his backsie for a year and still expect to run 10 miles with out feeling the strain? No matter what avenues or jobs we persue in life relevant training is essential.
 
Why do we need to train 'experienced elite' troops in cp? Cause they need it I'm afraid... 22 years of throwing yourself out of an aircraft, destroying enemy assets etc etc will do not have shown you how to perform cp operations...
In my time in the mob the amount of young infantry officers (and cav too, but not as often) who used to tell me they were more 'suited to the cp role' than my lads was staggering.... Why some one who's job is, as mentioned before, too close with and destroy the enemy thinks they are suited, with no further training, to ensuring an individual can safely conduct his work beggers believe...
 
Okay okay I agree you're right

I understand a former military may not be a good HECPO PSD CPO​

without training, I understand​

But what there is in the course :confused:​

;)​
 
Ryan1991 said:
Okay okay I agree you're right

I understand a former military may not be a good HECPO PSD CPO​

without training, I understand​

But what there is in the course :confused:​


;)​
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Ryan, one of the very first reples to your thread answered that question...
 
Ryan, Check Morrigans post at the beginning of your thread. He puts the content of the course across without using loads of jargon.
 
Ryan, have you contacted any of the Cp course providers suggested on this forum, and asked them how their course content compares with military - or alternative CP PSD HEPCO courses mate? - just a thought.
 
Ryan your English is slightly frustrating if i was to be blatantly honest.

I also find that at one point it's quite fluent then another its back to front as if being made up?

Are you taking the michael?

CM
 
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