Personnel Extraction Training?

LondonIrish

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Hi there,

I'm interested in doing some thinking about issues related to emergency personnel extraction. For example, staff who find themselves trapped in areas of conflict, individuals in high-risk areas who receive threats etc.

It would be great if anyone could point me towards any manuals or (ideally) training available on this subject. I've had a look online and haven't really found anything which suits my needs at the moment.

Many thanks!
-LI
 
Hi there,

I'm interested in doing some thinking about issues related to emergency personnel extraction. For example, staff who find themselves trapped in areas of conflict, individuals in high-risk areas who receive threats etc.

It would be great if anyone could point me towards any manuals or (ideally) training available on this subject. I've had a look online and haven't really found anything which suits my needs at the moment.

Many thanks!
-LI

Just for fun, I'll assume you don't have any HE experience (otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question) and that this is a serious question and you are talking about hot extractions

You cannot learn anything from a "manual" even if such a thing existed.

There are plenty of people that will take your money (especially in eastern Europe) and sell you a box of frogs. The fact is that only governments and Tier 1 contractors have the experience, backup and resources to carry out hot extractions any one tells you anything different, walk away.
 
You cannot learn anything from a "manual" even if such a thing existed.
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Are you trying to tell me that Black hawk down (the book!!) is not adequate for extraction techniques learning??
How about "Bravo 2 Zero??, it´s from Andy McNab, must be good!!
Ok, maybe Only survivor?? jumping the hills must be special (really special) forces for sure and if you are not trained for so sure you would never be able to to this to yourself.
13 hours?? secret soldiers of Bengasi??
and if everything else fails maybe "homeland"??? also it´s now in DVD so I will not spend so many time reading and would be better to be able to pay more attention to details.
 
Just for fun, I'll assume you don't have any HE experience (otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question) and that this is a serious question and you are talking about hot extractions

You cannot learn anything from a "manual" even if such a thing existed.

There are plenty of people that will take your money (especially in eastern Europe) and sell you a box of frogs. The fact is that only governments and Tier 1 contractors have the experience, backup and resources to carry out hot extractions any one tells you anything different, walk away.


Not talking about hot extractions, nor Black Hawk Down bullshit. What I'm speaking about is extractions that happen on a regular basis with the likes of corporate clients who find themselves in areas where rapidly the situation declines and they can no longer work in an area - requiring a fast office/operations close and a quick shift out of the country. I have no intention of trying to find a walt course that pretends to be swinging out of ropes, but I am looking for something that would go into more detail about how to plan for the scenarios which I described.
 
Corporate businesses have their own Crisis Management plans however as with all good plans, EPIC FAIL during Arab Spring. All have been revised since Libya. Large security consultancy's go in and do their plans now unless they in house security. There are no manuals worth buying and no courses that are worth going on. Knowing people who have actually done it and talking to them will help but at the end of the day, it really is common sense. I went by the traditional security thinking during my first evac' and came out of that feeling like a virgin on her wedding night. Screwed in every sense. Don't be fooled by tales of daring-do, its fun, even Libya was like a key-stone cops scenario, but interesting.
 
LondonIrish, I'll answer with a constructive post. It happens very frequently and is normally conducted through chartered aircraft which the majority of the time is done in coordination with the clients insurance company. Theres really no glamor to it all and the majority of time its a simple event of landing at an airfield, collecting the group of clients and departing. All very structured and simple. Most clients have an established evac plan, both corporate and field, which outlines the whole process. Hope this helps
 
LondonIrish, I'll answer with a constructive post. It happens very frequently and is normally conducted through chartered aircraft which the majority of the time is done in coordination with the clients insurance company. Theres really no glamor to it all and the majority of time its a simple event of landing at an airfield, collecting the group of clients and departing. All very structured and simple. Most clients have an established evac plan, both corporate and field, which outlines the whole process. Hope this helps

Thanks. Yes this is the constructive type of post I was looking for. I'm well aware and have spoken with a lot of organisations who had problems evacuating from Libya. I was looking to see was there any way to get some usage of any structured thinking that had emerged from it. Cheers!
 
London Irish, after the debacle of Libya which was quite unique, most Oil and Gas companies rallied around to collect lessons learnt and as stated, these lessons formed the new type of evac planning. I'll rustle around in my files and see if I can find it to post. It's a guideline only but there are a couple of things to remember;
1; If you are evacuating, every other expat organization and affluent local is doing the same, using the same roads, planes, airports so the plans do not take into account the mass exodus that takes place (this is in general terms). Infrastructure is overwhelmed so its usually not the case you are tootling along the road as per a normal day and hopping on a plane. That is when the fun starts.
2. Plans never take into account human behavior. Great on paper but you try telling a load of professionals who at most have only been near a fight in a bar and not been exposed to life threatening or simply dodgy situations saying, we will calmly go here, do that, hop on a bus etc. 'Some' people react to these things in the most extreme fashions if they think their life is in danger. Panic breeds panic and no amount of planning or instructions on a paper plan can deal with that, and that is why a good security guy needs to use all the tools in his arsenal to calm the situation before it gets out of hand. Remember many others are evacuating around you so its not only the panic/emotions/anger in your group that you deal with, its gets infectious. I have done 4 full country evacuations and managed multiple partial evacuations or crisis situations. Evacuations are a very simple 'guideline' process, a lot simpler than people think, but in the end, its people management you must deal with, on the ground and in the Corporate office. They get fed Fox News and sensationalized accounts of the situation on the ground, and they cause you a heap of problems as well. In short, there is a structure to follow that takes into account what I have described above.
 
Ok, I apologize for the previous sarcasm, my two cents them:

1º IF you are dealing with a HR environment you should get some intel about the place that will help you when deciding WERE yo host your personnel and possible scape routes; do we agree?
2º ONCE you have settled your employees you will also count with some kind of updates on your security status and level with reference to threats, may them be terrorism, burglar gangs around your well paid well differenced employees...
3º WHEN the shit hits the fan each and every of your personnel should already be aware of some basic duties such as taking the visas, id documents, family and cash (by this order) and go to some king of meeting point previously arranged OR stay at home until help arrives (here maybe I am in a mistake, will thank any help).
4º FINALLY when you get to collect your people you need a vehicle able to fade out in the typical local traffic, no matter if it is a tank in disguise, but as plain as possible from the outside. No new tires, no new painting jobs, no shadowed windows, my preference should be a small van with fabric curtains that can hide any usual protection and give the passengers some privacy.
5º FINISH LINE will be reached once you are in a remote place were an helicopter could evacuate, an airport with separated facilities or even a fishing port from were you can leave the area/state.

And (in my honest opinion) so far do not know who is ready to teach you all this but experience, that is why either you hire some old fashioned war reporters or you should only rely on ex military and it is almost impossible for a civilian to get trained for this unless his daddy was a priest in Africa , a Boer offspring in the 80´s or lived in Lebanon or such places for quite a long time.
PS: despite all learned from Israel based training academies, I am afraid that this "straight" way of doing things may not be the best but inside Israel-neighborhood and could likely end in a Black Haw Down kind of situation.
 
My advice? for what it is worth? Do not confuse the terms Extraction, Evacuation or a plain old simple 'Out'..! In fact the criticality is in the reverse order to what I have written. Good luck with your hunt! but as many have already said???? Experience is quite essential and very valuable here...

CD
 
Just came across the old post and as I haven't been here for a while due to my retirement and thoroughly enjoying myself? I just wondered how you got on? or proceeded...
 
Just came across the old post and as I haven't been here for a while due to my retirement and thoroughly enjoying myself? I just wondered how you got on? or proceeded...

Thanks.

Not bad actually. I got quite a few decent sources from other places, especially structured stuff, spoke with a lot of people about their experiences etc. Have ended up since the post doing both planning and running various types of extraction related stuff - so it worked out overall.
 
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