Remote 3g Camera(s)

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horizon

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:confused:Anyone on the site got in depth knowledge of above?

Scenario: I have 3 clients who want to watch their villas in Spain from UK, they have telephone and broadband connections at the addresses.

I come in to the equation as I have the job of using these addresses as a trigger.

Anyone reccommend a good seller?

Cheers

H
 
why use 3g cameras if he has internet just set up a small ip cctv system
hes paying for the broadban already these 3g cameras are still quite expensive and you will have to pay for dialing in to them .the best meathod would be ip cameras
 
Got to agree with TP on this. IP would be easier and cheaper.

3g is not that good even in good reception areas and can have a big time lag.

4g might be better when it gets here...
 
Hi,

3g cameras are not reliable enough (in regards to connectivity) for a trigger for surveillance or events at a location. Even in good signal areas it is not ideal as 3g often drops off and you have issues which would take a huge post to detail.

As stated you want to use an ip camera as you have power and connectivity on-site at the locations.

A simple drop in solution would be look at the mobotix range of cameras. Combined with suitable lighting they provide a very reliable solution. You can use on-board storage and the device as the NVR (network video recorder). They are waterproof and very good in high and low temperatures. They also record in mega pixel resolutions.

An important point to bear in mind is you only need to run one POE (power over Ethernet) cable from a POE enabled router to the device (camera). You don't need to buy a DVR, do any power cabling , have a lock box for the footage e.t.c. Although these cameras are a higher cost compared to other possible ip cameras they work out very cost effective when you consider this one camera does everything you need in one box as well as minimising disruption to the clients property.

They have a huge range of options, and one of the most important for remote monitoring is you can record locally (on the on-board camera storage) at a mega pixel resolution while viewing remotely at a smaller resolution without effecting the quality of the recorded or streamed images. You can also set-up more than one stream to allow multiple clients.

Another useful feature is the pages for viewing the camera render well on most smart phones , as well as you being able to log into one camera and view multiple cameras in a "group". This means you have have full control and playback of footage from one camera in the group without any locally installed software.

The other killer ability is being able to stream events on request to a 3rd party server. This means every 30 mins you get the camera to send all of its recorded footage (should not be that much if its working on motion based which is always the best method) over to a backup server. Great having that offsite backup !

I use these cameras heavily and have used them in both close protection and surveillance operations. if you would like any advice give me a pm :)


Best regards,


Track Clarity
 
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horizon said:
:confused:Anyone on the site got in depth knowledge of above?

Scenario: I have 3 clients who want to watch their villas in Spain from UK, they have telephone and broadband connections at the addresses.

I come in to the equation as I have the job of using these addresses as a trigger.

Anyone reccommend a good seller?

Cheers

H
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Hi horizon.

3g cameras are not realiable for what you want them to do. do you need the cameras for internal / external or both. ip is a very expensive way to go also. yes the cameras are very good but at night they can not see a thing. and installing ip in spain would be very unreliable due to the fact as they have lots and lots of power cuts and some ip cameras need re-setting so if no one is there you will not have protection till they are reset. i would go for a dvr networked with standard cameras that will always be recording and view from any mobile pda or pc from anywere. mobotix is also a camera that i use but very expensive and power cuts will give big problems.
 
I would check the security of the broadband connection, is it vulnerable to a pair of wire-cutters.
And whilst thinking of it, how good is the 3g coverage and how vulnerable is it to one of those cheep jammers on ebay.
 
tomengineer said:
Hi horizon.

3g cameras are not realiable for what you want them to do. do you need the cameras for internal / external or both. ip is a very expensive way to go also. yes the cameras are very good but at night they can not see a thing. and installing ip in spain would be very unreliable due to the fact as they have lots and lots of power cuts and some ip cameras need re-setting so if no one is there you will not have protection till they are reset. i would go for a dvr networked with standard cameras that will always be recording and view from any mobile pda or pc from anywere. mobotix is also a camera that i use but very expensive and power cuts will give big problems.
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Hi tom,

I have to say in this instance I do not agree with your comments. let me explain why in detail.

1) power cuts

Mobotix cameras run very reliable software (knows as firmware) which reboots and is live with all features working within 10-20 seconds depending on the camera. We have tested this extensively because of some of the remote monitoring sites it is used on.

The software is bullet proof and will not need "settings reset" to work again. Even the 4 year old versions of software did not need this. We specifically started using this camera for mission critical tasks because it is so stable and recovers very well from network or power loss.

The power problem will affect the DVR you have suggested as much as it would the camera, however I would suggest a simple and cost effective UPS (uninterrupted power supply system) can protect not only the connectivity hardware but the camera running poe as well as the lighting as well.( assuming its the modern led based solution).

The networking and remote viewing options of the mobotix camera are much more

2)ip cameras good but at night cant see a thing

I also don't understand the comment of not being able to see anything "because its ip". The ip side of a camera system dictates its communication ability and protocols not the ability of the optics and image processing to generate quality images.

If you want to look at some "ip" cameras which blow any analogue camera to the walls in regards to image quality have a look at "avigilon" cameras.

The duel lens versions of the mobotix camera handle IR lighting very well , as well as the led white lighting from raylux making the single lens (cheaper) versions fine for night use as well.


3) more expensive when its ip

Well unless you are installing really low grade DVR equipment this is simply not true. You only require the camera (and lighting of course). With your suggestion you would need a DVR as well as the camera.

Also you only need to run on network cable which can power both the camera and the LED lighting over a poe router, with this suggestion you save a lot of time and money on "ground works" and reduce the disruption to the client which is vital.



Best regards,

Track Clarity
 
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TrackClarity said:
Hi tom,

I have to say in this instance I do not agree with your comments. let me explain why in detail.

1) power cuts

Mobotix cameras run very reliable software (knows as firmware) which reboots and is live with all features working within 10-20 seconds depending on the camera. We have tested this extensively because of some of the remote monitoring sites it is used on.

The software is bullet proof and will not need "settings reset" to work again. Even the 4 year old versions of software did not need this. We specifically started using this camera for mission critical tasks because it is so stable and recovers very well from network or power loss.

The power problem will affect the DVR you have suggested as much as it would the camera, however I would suggest a simple and cost effective UPS (uninterrupted power supply system) can protect not only the connectivity hardware but the camera running poe as well as the lighting as well.( assuming its the modern led based solution).

The networking and remote viewing options of the mobotix camera are much more

2)ip cameras good but at night cant see a thing

I also don't understand the comment of not being able to see anything "because its ip". The ip side of a camera system dictates its communication ability and protocols not the ability of the optics and image processing to generate quality images.

If you want to look at some "ip" cameras which blow any analogue camera to the walls in regards to image quality have a look at "avigilon" cameras.

The duel lens versions of the mobotix camera handle IR lighting very well , as well as the led white lighting from raylux making the single lens (cheaper) versions fine for night use as well.


3) more expensive when its ip

Well unless you are installing really low grade DVR equipment this is simply not true. You only require the camera (and lighting of course). With your suggestion you would need a DVR as well as the camera.

Also you only need to run on network cable which can power both the camera and the LED lighting over a poe router, with this suggestion you save a lot of time and money on "ground works" and reduce the disruption to the client which is vital.



Best regards,

Track Clarity
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Hi track clarity.

the main mobotix we have used is the Q24 yes the camera is very very good. but its the extras you need to run it. if it is in your work place or home then its fine but to install one in spain and view it from england gets very costly. first the camera only holds about 2 days recording on it onboard sd card. so if something happend 3 days ago you have no footage. but you can add external H/D like raid also from mobotix and record for a month. cost i.e camera (each)£750 p-o-e adaptor £90 mobotix raid or external H/D £590 and this camera can not see in low light in day time it is one of the best cameras on the market. but if you are going to install a system you need 24hr protction. broadband in spain is not like in the uk and it always goes down and is very limited. so a dvr with power back-up will always have footage recorded.
 
tomengineer said:
Hi track clarity.

the main mobotix we have used is the Q24 yes the camera is very very good. but its the extras you need to run it. if it is in your work place or home then its fine but to install one in spain and view it from england gets very costly. first the camera only holds about 2 days recording on it onboard sd card. so if something happend 3 days ago you have no footage. but you can add external H/D like raid also from mobotix and record for a month. cost i.e camera (each)£750 p-o-e adaptor £90 mobotix raid or external H/D £590 and this camera can not see in low light in day time it is one of the best cameras on the market. but if you are going to install a system you need 24hr protction. broadband in spain is not like in the uk and it always goes down and is very limited. so a dvr with power back-up will always have footage recorded.
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Hi,

thank you for the reply this is turning into a good discussion :) , I can understand your comments more now , in relation to this specialist camera you have detailed

MOBOTIX - Q24 Hemispheric

This camera is really designed for specialist tasks.

However your comments are still not quite correct (I hope i am not coming across as being too blunt here its simply that I have a lot of experience with these systems and might be able to shed some light ).

If you look the mobotix website these are the normal outdoor cameras which would be used with LED white lighting outside :
MOBOTIX - Allround M24M

or : MOBOTIX - DualNight M12D

For use with IR lighting for more covert camera work.

With both these cameras you can opt for a 32gig memory chip which will allow a lot more than 3 days "motion" based recording. They do actually work with the higher capacity memory cards as well , but this is still in testing with mobotix.

As far as the camera costing £750 the standard single lens version is a lot less than this (google is your friend in this one as i want to be mindful of the advertising forum rules).

As with a DVR correct setup of recording resolutions , and motion or hard triggers are essential to maximise storage efficiency. The motion based recording setup on these cameras is simply fantastic in preventing false triggers due to being able to config items such as motion lines (movement passing though and image) , the amount of motion and size of objects setting the trigger off.

If you did require long-term storage of footage a simple NAS ( will allow many months of footage being stored. Again this would require no more than the one Ethernet cable being deployed to the camera. (Buffalo LinkStation 500GB is around £90) for example.

Again I point to the feature of being able to send the recorded footage from the camera as a backup during quiet periods, only the most expensive dvrs offer this option and it often a pain to maintain.

Just to cover another point : broadband in spain is not like in the uk and it always goes down and is very limited. so a dvr with power back-up will always have footage recorded.

I think perhaps you are getting mixed up here. The broadband is only required for the remote monitoring. The camera system itself does not require internet connectivity to record its images.

As far as the power backup , I have mentioned this in my previous post, a simple ups (Uninterruptible Power Supplies) will solve this, and during testing we have found a dvr + power supply for camera and standard lighting will use a lot more power than a mobotix camera, poe switch, broadband router and Raylux white light led lighting. This means the ip setup will last norticably longer on the ups setup.

Food for thought!

Hope fully this is all useful, mobotix as a company are great but they do not always detail the most efficient way to use their products :)



Best regards,

Track Clarity
 
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Hi

A couple of points that may help. Im not sure that a IP camera could send live video to a mobile phone as well as be viewed on the net which you can with a DVR. The other thing is if you need IR for night time viewing you can but a standard IR camera and connect it to a video bridge that converts it to an IP camera. As a guide 4- DVR with 320GB hard drive and mobile phone software £329+ VAT 640GB 279+ VAT. Video bridge £120+ VAT. Prices shown are from System Q in Chesterfield. we use them all the time and have had no probs with their equipment as they check it works before it leaves them.
 
Prestige76 said:
Hi

A couple of points that may help. Im not sure that a IP camera could send live video to a mobile phone as well as be viewed on the net which you can with a DVR. The other thing is if you need IR for night time viewing you can but a standard IR camera and connect it to a video bridge that converts it to an IP camera. As a guide 4- DVR with 320GB hard drive and mobile phone software £329+ VAT 640GB 279+ VAT. Video bridge £120+ VAT. Prices shown are from System Q in Chesterfield. we use them all the time and have had no probs with their equipment as they check it works before it leaves them.
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most big name ip cameras can be viewed on mobile even zoom in and out. if you was going to convert a camera with a ip video bridge then you would not connect it to a dvr.
 
Prestige76 said:
Hi

A couple of points that may help. Im not sure that a IP camera could send live video to a mobile phone as well as be viewed on the net which you can with a DVR. The other thing is if you need IR for night time viewing you can but a standard IR camera and connect it to a video bridge that converts it to an IP camera. As a guide 4- DVR with 320GB hard drive and mobile phone software £329+ VAT 640GB 279+ VAT. Video bridge £120+ VAT. Prices shown are from System Q in Chesterfield. we use them all the time and have had no probs with their equipment as they check it works before it leaves them.
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Hi,

You will not be "sending" the footage to your mobile, you will be accessing the dvr via the network / internet link from your phone and "pulling" the information to your mobile viewing device.

Yes this it is possible to have recording and remote viewing on all but the most basic ip cameras. The mobotix cameras as stated in previous posts allow recording and remote monitoring at the same time.

They also work on mobile devices without requiring software to view the images. if you can load a website on the device it will work. This again is the same for most ip cameras.

By using a dvr, a camera, and an IP converter you have 3 possible pieces of hardware to fail. Using one device which provides all required services is a much better plan of action (at least in the scenario which started this thread).


Best regards,


Track Clarity
 
tomengineer said:
f you was going to convert a camera with a ip video bridge then you would not connect it to a dvr.
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Some installs split the video signal, one into the DVR then one into the ip bridge for remote viewing.

I must admit this seems madness to myself but i have seen it done.

Best regards,

Track Clarity
 
I only ment for the bridge to be used if they wanted an IR camera without the DVR. If you wanted the DVR then that would be connected to the router so you wouldn,t need the bridge so only two items. Also with the DVR you only need to connect to it and then select the camera to view. Where as i am guessing if you have four IP cameras you would ned to connect to each camera one at a time.
 
Prestige76 said:
I only ment for the bridge to be used if they wanted an IR camera without the DVR. If you wanted the DVR then that would be connected to the router so you wouldn,t need the bridge so only two items. Also with the DVR you only need to connect to it and then select the camera to view. Where as i am guessing if you have four IP cameras you would ned to connect to each camera one at a time.
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Hi.

gotcha! I was wondering about using the ip bridge with the dvr :).

You are right a lot of the ip cameras require individual connections, However if you are using a pc the software you will download will allow multiple connections and view modes (as does the dvr software).

However on a mobile device you will need to connect to most ip cameras one at a time.

However as explained in one of my previous posts on this thread the mobotix cameras allow you to connect to one camera in a group and view all the cameras and setup from a single camera on the network.



Best regards,


Track Clarity
 
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Does it work with 3G ?...........post is 8 years old
 
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