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jack_von_hat

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Hi all,
I'm in my final few months in the RAF Regiment.
I'm looking to get into survelliance either full or part time.
I've been in the regiment for 7 1/2 years, leaving due to wanting more stability, career enhancement and no more 6 month tours!
I've been looking into surveillance for a while now. I was succesful in getting to the final stages with a goverment survelliance vacancy. The taster I enjoyed immensely!
Since then i've not had much direction with which to follow.
I've no domestic surveillance qualifications, however due to my current role I have been operating in Iraq gather intelligence, op's, close target reccies etc.
I'm currently living in Northern Ireland and looking for some advice from anyone in the know!
I belive there is a surveillance training company who run the odd course in Northern Ireland, but i'm wondering what the potential outcome will be. I.e. if there is a call for this type of work.
I've also seen the police are now forming new counter terrorism units with surveillance roles. Most of these are open to serving police officers with the level one surveillance qualification. However i have just seen in quest magazine(a resettlement mag for the forces) that the Counter Terrorism units have a open day today for service personnel.
Does anyone know if they are going to be actively recruiting armed forces memebers in the near future.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Any help would be great
 

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Hello

I can't give you any advice but they are other members of the forum who will when they see your post. I'd just like to wish you the best of luck.

I myself, when I left the armed forces had a wife and child on the way, it certainly helps knowing what your going onto!
 

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Go to the open day, entry is with your mod ID card, it is not open to the public. There may be other hings there you have not considered. Yes they are recruiting.

Nick
 

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thanks

Hi there.
I didn't see the open day advertised until last night so I couldn't get there.
I've had a look at some of the force websites and they all seem to be recruiting police officers at the moment.
I presume they may be opening other positions and advertising them soon for ex forces etc??
I've seen one post and it's classed as police staff in leeds, so I emailed them for an application form- only snag being the closing date is tomorrow and the app can't be emailed! So i've missed out on that. I'll keep my eyes open for future jobs, good job I have a trade and a job lined up for the time being.
Next question is what do you think the best survelliance course to start with is??
Oh and CO19, any ideas on the other things at the the ctu show?
 

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Start with a basic surveillance course Greymans conduct these by ex Specialist Operations an attached Interpol surveillance trainers. They have had very good feedback.

You will need to attend the event and assess things there and speak to everyone, is my advice. But you will have to sell yourself.

Nick
 

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H guys,

Does anybody have a web site link for this open day? Or any future dates.

Im pretty keen to go along and have a look?

Im RMP CP trained and Level 1 surveillance trained.

CM
 

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I saw it in the back of a resettlement magazine, there was a link to it from one of the police sites. Think it was the ACPO APCO, can't remember the exactly letters but i'm sure you know what I mean!
 

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Entry is only with a current MOD or warrant card, that is what I do remember

Nick
 

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Hiya..did you goto the open day in manchester?.....i know that several police foces are seeking ex military personnel.this new unit is nationwide.try looking in the wst mids,mnchester and yorkshire police websites...the met well thy are in a league on of thier own..i would no iam with them..cheers
 

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jack, ifinished an intermediate surveillance course yesterdaywith Wilplan training. he insructor told us if you've got good video and report writing skills you will never be out of work, good luck for future.
be safe
Dale
 

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lol, Yeah I couldn't get to the open day as I only saw it advertised the day before.
Had a look at the police sites above, they are all after serving police officers at the moment for the ctu's.
 

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Dear all,

I looked into the CTU when i first signed off, at the time they were recruiting Police Officers and Police Staff for surveillance positions. All information and current job vacancies can be found on the GMP webpage. They will snap up anyone with a few quals however it does now state on the website that you must be a Police Officer.
 

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I know that some Forces do employ Police Staff in this particular role - but the vacancies are often, understandably, only advertised internally.

I have recently seen a number of external ads from various forces seeking Police Staff Surveillance Operatives in other investigative departments within the service.

Perhaps this is a starting block - you gain experience within that particular force and subsequently have access to the internal ads for the more specialised roles that you can apply for, by then with a proven track record within that particular force.

I have found that military experience will invariably get you through a papersift but experience within the force to which you are applying is clearly a massive advantage .

I may be wrong, but I believe, that as a member of Police Staff there are limits as to the type of Surveillance that you are permitted to undertake - no matter what department you are working within. The three forces I have researched seem to restrict Police Staff to Level Two. This may be a National Policy.

Under the Police Reform Act 2002, in this role Police Staff may also have limited powers in relation to entry and search of prems, warrants and seizure as designated by the Chief Constable.

If you are already qualified to Level One, it might be worth considering SOCA who advertise on their own website - or HMRC who advertise thru Red Snapper.com and the Guardian Newspaper from time to time.

Or are you waiting for Godot ?
 

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Hi all,
I'm currently living in Northern Ireland and looking for some advice from anyone in the know!
I belive there is a surveillance training company who run the odd course in Northern Ireland, but i'm wondering what the potential outcome will be. I.e. if there is a call for this type of work.
I think there is a training company based in Ireland called NISS or NIIS.. Something along those lines (and I know it ressembles another organisation)
 

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its called NIBSSS the bloke who runs it is called dougie, my only drawback is that he said that there was a contract in dubai deploying in days, a colleague of mine resigned from his position and the deployment didn't happen. Neadless to say he was very disapointed but I suppose it happens in this line of work, although it was stressed it was happening at the time. He has found work for others though that I am aware of.
 

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Hi all, i hope we all had a good xmas and a good start to the new year.

Im out after 13yrs in the Inf in sept 08 and Ive chosen CP as my next career, I would only like to work in the UK.

I was talking to a lad this week that recomended tHE Nemesis Gp. Does anybody have any views on their record? I have 30 days res trng and 2 grand of ELC's to use come april.

At the mo I am a blank canvas so to speak, which would be the best way to go about it.

Also Ive heard there is a CP open day at the Union jack club in jan, anyone know more details?

Cheers
jim
 

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Hey thanks watchman. Yeah i know what you mean about the paper sifts.
The only experience i've had with survelliance is the military side of things to date. On operations is Basra.
Do you have anymore information on the other police staff roles in survelliance?
It's hard to get a break into one of these roles without prior experience but to get that you need to be in the job! lol.
As I said i got to the final stage with a goverment survelliance vacancy however I was unsuccesful. I didn't get any feedback as to why I wasn't offered a job at the end of my test phase. Company policy!
I then tried SOCA but due to my lack of experience for the role I didn't get shortlisted.
I've put the idea on hold for the moment until I can find out a way to get in!
 

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Look at Allpolicejobs.co.uk, there was one for Wiltshire but the closing date was the 11th, job spec. is still on the site, or you could apply to be a police constable and get all your training paid for may take you a few years but then you've got a good CV.
 

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JVH

Have you considered the various government agencies?


Best of luck

Nick
 
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