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Mrburns

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Hi all,

Another topic I have been chatting on has got me thinking and I would like peoples opinions in regards to close protection work.

If you were asked to do something illegal by your client would you consider doing this ? I am pretty black and white on this subject and say no. But it seems others have the opinion this is in some way part of the job.

I could see that this could been seen as a gray area by some. My point is what if anything do you think is ok and where do you draw the line,

I look forward to everyone's opinions,

Best regards

Mr Burns
 
A definate no, Mr Burns is my answer.
In my opinion If someone wants something done that is illegal do it themselves.

BA:)
 
Mr. Burns:

The answer is NO. Close Protection specialists and other security professionals are supposed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem (i.e. criminals).

Knowingly performing an illegal act (in additional to the criminal aspect), is a serious breach of professional ethics.

Rregards,

Dave
 
Keep it inside the law. Client might not like you in the moment but will respect you in the future. You will also go into next job with head high.

Keep it straight, it will only bite you in the end.
 
Risk

I had a brief opportunity to work for a client for 6 months, who brought our team on board in this country he seemed a level playing guy, he also was very concerned for himself and what appeared to be his family

However, as the job went on it became very clear he was actually the guy in the wrong and this so called threat was justified as in saying the 'threat' just wanted back what was theirs

Anyway by the time it became clear we where on the wrong side he had managed to manipulate us in such a way that we where the ones who had crossed the line the result was we dropped him like a hot potatoe as he had no intention of honouring or protecting us in the eyes of the law

The long and short of it these people who require us in their hour of need would not be as accommodating in return just measure the risk for yourself is the best approach

Good Luck
 
Not a chance thats where personal integrity comes in, no matter what the price tag on a job is its not worth loosing your lisence and reputation for.
 
In a time when everyone is grasping for any available jobs, it is important to maintain your personal integrity. It may be hard to walk away from an easy payday. There are many examples of clients asking (or demanding) that you do something unethical or even criminal, on their behalf, only to be thrown under the bus when it bottoms out. "Your Honor, I hired this gentleman to protect me from harm, not to put his hands on anyone." We've seen it many times. Keep your reputation pure!

Jerry
 
Yeah I agree with what's being said in this thread.

I always operate within the law and like to start with establishing bona fides so that I can ensure I'm not a pawn in someone's game. Asking for ID, evidence of property ownership, sighting restraining orders... things like that.

I also notify the police station of the area that I am operating in of my presence and provide them copies of my SMEAC. Helps to:

a) cover your arse
b) head off police interference if concerned citizens call the police alarmed by your presence
c) give them a heads up so they can patrol the area or just be there quicker if the shit hits the fan.

If people want things done outside the scope of the law they can contact their local bike gang and end up paying through the nose and owing them "favours" for the rest of their life.

A career isn't worth it. Even if you're not concerned with personal integrity, think of potential earnings lost, how it might affect your family, your reputation, your liberty etc.
 
Why would anyone get into the close protection industry if their intention was to break the law??It would be a definite no,no.
 
Although local conditions may prevail... What is deemed exceptable behaviour in one country often isn't in another....
 
I don't believe getting into the business with unlawful intent is how it starts, but something that can evolve. What many operators find difficult is the ability to say "no" to their clients. It often starts innocently enough, like when the guy tells you speed through the light because he's in a hurry. Then double park because he doesn't want to walk. Then give the hooker a ride, then...At some point we know that we are allowing ourselves to get caught up in something that could get ugly real fast. Do we tell the client that the girl can't ride with us because she's probably holding?

Thats why we see BG's going after cameramen and busting their equipment. Or if we're lucky, we can get on video choking some PIA in India. It becomes part of the culture and it takes a strong sense of moral and ethical duty to walk away. This is the biggest difference between working the HE in a war zone and providing protective services in the normal society where rules and laws are more likely to be enforced.

Again, when the money is good, it's hard to walk away.

Jerry
 
Although local conditions may prevail... What is deemed exceptable behaviour in one country often isn't in another....

I agree, what if it is a situation that is legal in your country, but not in the country in which you find yourself working, and you find yourself in a situation where you could get away with it so to speak?

Also, what if it is a situation that is illigal, but moraly right? Like putting a couple into a Gary Glitter type? I'm not condoning shooting Peadophiles or the likes, (God knows, as a parent I'd like to see that made into a national pastime) but what if you find yourself in a somewhat lawless country where the rule of law is not enforced? Would you find it easier to do something "wrong"?

Heno
 
Although local conditions may prevail... What is deemed exceptable behaviour in one country often isn't in another....

I agree, what if it is a situation that is legal in your country, but not in the country in which you find yourself working, and you find yourself in a situation where you could get away with it so to speak?

Also, what if it is a situation that is illigal, but moraly right? Like putting a couple into a Gary Glitter type? I'm not condoning shooting Peadophiles or the likes, (God knows, as a parent I'd like to see that made into a national pastime) but what if you find yourself in a somewhat lawless country where the rule of law is not enforced? Would you find it easier to do something "wrong"?

Heno
Actualy Heno, you have a very valid point youself.. I try to live by my own moral code, which could be seen as being slightly 'off kilter' to the law of the land, simply because i feel the laws in this land are becoming more and more targeted at grinding the middle classes into the ground whilst allowing the 'benefit classes' (my own invention) to roam free doing as they will..
 
I agree with slim, one of my first cp job, when leaving the army, was in London with two another guys what looked like a top job, good money, flat, & car, all the top nightclubs/restraunts, all very nice at the time, then I notice that he in fact was under surveillance, however my biggest mistake was not doing some background checks on the client, one trip to the local police stn, would of put me right to the fact that the police were very interested in the client, and was later convicted for a large scale fraud. so think before you get offered what seems to be a once in a life time job.
 
your either a good guy or a bad guy, i chose to be a good guy and have no time for people who sit on the fence choosing what suits them at the time.you should always stay within the law and whats morally right.
 
.you should always stay within the law and whats morally right.
But, leaving in a country, the UK, where the orgainsations that pass the laws (houses of parliment and lords) are morally bankrupt, is that not often contradictory...
 
then it's up to the individule to decide whats morally right in their opinion, if it turns out to be wrong, they will have to live with the consequence's if any, i think as long as you think your doing the right thing that should be enough
 
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