War From Ground Level

[abuminyar]

Israel/Palestine: The Gaza War From Ground Level - YouTube

 

[LJH1]

Another one sided view of the conflict!

I don't know what point your trying to make by posting this in here but if you believe that Israelis are the bad guys you really need a history lesson.

This conflict has been going on since before I was born, the state of Israel has always existed, the Muslim states however have not yet seem to believe that an Israeli state should not be allowed to exist and have been trying to wipe out the Israeli state for years and now because Israel is standing up for its self and fighting back its suddenly all over the media making people like you believe what is being shown to you by the likes if the BBC.

I am neither for or against either side, but before you start posting propaganda know the facts.


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[SCT]

Their "goods" include explosives and ammunition used to kill Israeli citizens. This is Hamas sponsored anti-Israeli propaganda and supports islamic terrorism. About time that abuminge was banned permanently

 

[saward]

Are these not also 'facts'?
Views from various members of the Jewish faith.

Orthodox Jews protest against Zionism - YouTube


UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza - YouTube

Trying to give a balanced view as it would seem the initial post was seen as being from a Palestinian perspective only.

 

[SCT]

Are these not also 'facts'?
Views from various members of the Jewish faith.

Orthodox Jews protest against Zionism - YouTube


UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza - YouTube

Trying to give a balanced view as it would seem the initial post was seen as being from a Palestinian perspective only.

Apples and oranges. Being an orthodox jew or a Jewish MP does not make you a terrorist. Being a member of Hamas or islamic jihad does.

 

[GI0VANNI]

Let me say a word:
Israel was born after the WWII in the conviction that as long as the jews had no original state they would be prosecuted eventually anywhere, in this way the English protectorate of PALESTINA was called by some zionist organizations (as the promised land that the religious book calls it despite having been "working" in Egipt for some years...) while the idea of a new "promised land" in, for example BRAZIL, was abandoned.
The first "Israel" movements were of terrorism against the english army in Palestina to the point that eventually the government decided to leave and let the savages deal with it. And the UN declaration states that maybe there should be a jewish state, but does not state that it has to be "Israel" with the capital in Jerusalem and to move away the palestinians.
The 6 days war, the first and second intifada.... Israel has always been "at war" it even got an ilegal nuclear program (see the VANUNU report" that of course does not recognize or denies, it has kidnaped ex-nazi militants to be judged and killed, unilaterally has bombed his neighbor states BUT as long as the USA keeps vetoing any NU against them it is a nonsense.

This said I can not blame the palestinian people who has been living outside their homes for decades, seeing as the launch of a stone against a tank is answered with a cannon shot or recently how the launch of some "shot and forget" home made "misiles???" is answered with top tech GPS/satellite guided misiles destroying crucial placements.

The two sides are doing it bad, and we should not talk about who is worst than the other, but maybe we should get info from the both sides. For example the islamic meaning for "jihad" is the effort that a muslim should perform in his whole life to be a better person, deal with others fairly and act as an example of wisdom serenity and good behavior, not related at all with the islamist meaning of the violent jihad that is the duty to defend the fellow muslim people that is being attacked by al means and that in some interpretations includes even the death of innocent or "too lazy muslims".
Recommend you (if you do not think it is hamas propaganda:Fatwa-Online.com <> eFatwa.com)

 

[saward]

Apples and oranges. Being an orthodox jew or a Jewish MP does not make you a terrorist. Being a member of Hamas or islamic jihad does.

Yet can it not be argued that the current ‘State of Israel’ was founded with the assistance of ‘terrorist’ organisations?
Did not the leader of one such organisation even become Prime Minister of Israel!

Terrorist or Freedom Fighter perhaps two sides of the same coin!

 

[LJH1]

Terrorist or Freedom Fighter perhaps two sides of the same coin!

The name 'Nelson Mandela' resonates, but thats a different subject.



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[saward]

Not really a different subject many ‘terrorist/freedom fighters’ have moved on to become politicians and even leaders of their country.
Bearing in mind this was before Mr Mandela became President of South Africa.

Rare Video: Mandela Speaking on Palestine [Extracts] - YouTube

Arguments can be given by ‘both sides’ as regards as to why their side is right.

Unfortunately many innocent lives are lost on all sides in the conflict this incurs.

 

[SCT]

Yet can it not be argued that the current ‘State of Israel’ was founded with the assistance of ‘terrorist’ organisations?
Did not the leader of one such organisation even become Prime Minister of Israel!

Terrorist or Freedom Fighter perhaps two sides of the same coin!

Correct about Israel, Menachim Begin was indeed a terrorist that was responsible for the murders of British servicemen in Palestine. However "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is an inaccurate cliche and especially does apply to islamic terrorists. They are not fighting for freedom or their survival, they are fighting for world domination and the subjugation of all non-muslims.

 

[SCT]

The name 'Nelson Mandela' resonates, but thats a different subject.



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Nelson Mandela was nothing more than a terrorist who got too old in jail to do anything except talk when he was released. People have short memories

 

[SCT]

Not really a different subject many ‘terrorist/freedom fighters’ have moved on to become politicians and even leaders of their country.
Bearing in mind this was before Mr Mandela became President of South Africa.

Rare Video: Mandela Speaking on Palestine [Extracts] - YouTube

Arguments can be given by ‘both sides’ as regards as to why their side is right.

Unfortunately many innocent lives are lost on all sides in the conflict this incurs.

So basically what you are saying is that a terrorist's natural evolutionary path is to evolve into a self centered, lying bastard

 

[Ivan67]

Abuminyar,

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[saward]

Ivan67,

Stop being undecided, just tell us how you feel about Abuminyar!

 

[Ivan67]

Ivan67,

Stop being undecided, just tell us how you feel about Abuminyar!

Yeah, I see what your doing. You just want me banned.

 

[saward]

So basically what you are saying is that a terrorist's natural evolutionary path is to evolve into a self centered, lying bastard

May I refer you to your previous post,

"Correct about Israel, Menachim Begin was indeed a terrorist that was responsible for the murders of British servicemen in Palestine."

Some politicians achieve that without even having a 'terrorist' background.

 

[SCT]

May I refer you to your previous post,

"Correct about Israel, Menachim Begin was indeed a terrorist that was responsible for the murders of British servicemen in Palestine."

Some politicians achieve that without even having a 'terrorist' background.

Exactly, ALL politicians are self centered lying bastards. I don't know what's worse, being blown up or having the self centered, lying, half breed in the WH and his bitch at No 10

 

[saward]

Not sure who you mean.But you should sit down then before reading this.

Peace envoy Tony Blair blasted for throwing surprise birthday party for wife Cherie | Mail Online

 

[SCT]

Do I care if a bunch of muslims get killed in the ME? No. What I do care about is my family, myself and my friends. Everyone else can go screw themselves, shoot themselves or blow themselves up, whatever floats their boat.

Whether we like it or not, Israel is there and it isn't going anywhere no matter what the arabs do. Any sensible person would realise this and suck it up. The arab "war" against Israel is a lost cause. I may not like the way that Israel does things and there is a certain amount of hypocrisy in their treatment of the arabs in the occupied territories in contrast to the way jews have been treated over the centuries, but hey, no-one is perfect. The IDF is heavy handed because they HAVE to be, no-one is coming to save them except themselves, so they have to use the military and technological version of krav maga to make sure the other guy stays down.

 

[SCT]

Not sure who you mean.But you should sit down then before reading this.

Peace envoy Tony Blair blasted for throwing surprise birthday party for wife Cherie | Mail Online

Ahhhh. The King of the Self Centered Lying Bastards himself in all his glory.