Hi just wondering what side-arms people prefer. I'm particularly fond of the H&K USP, due to its high calibre round, great stopping power, durability, excellent accesories, ambidexterity and lets not forget the way it easily field strips. But hey i haven't used a whole lot of side arms so anyone got any other preferences?
What is your favourate Sidearm???
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Ive only used the Sig Sauer 229. Simple easy and effective, the double trigger pressure takes abit of getting used to though!
So your a gun man then Patrick G?
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So your a gun man then Patrick G?
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Yep the sig I used was setup so the first shot would require a bit more pressure with all subsequent shots being easier to fire.
I've also use the browning which a bit heavier..
Some UK police forces use the P229 also, some setup with the lighter trigger pressue perminently, and some setup with the heavier trigger pressure required, wierd!
I've also use the browning which a bit heavier..
Some UK police forces use the P229 also, some setup with the lighter trigger pressue perminently, and some setup with the heavier trigger pressure required, wierd!
well not really. Not a licensed operator at the moment. I'm getting my Commercial Pilots license so i can pay for my training. I really want to get into CAT service. But i do hit the range when i'm back in my country. Only fired the USP twice but i loved it both times. Need to try the Sig because i've heard nothing but good things about it. mostly i use the Beretta at the range and a berreli shotgun, My friends Dad has an old Remington rifle that i particularly love because its just so damn accurate and easy to handle. Has anyone fired the Jericho? It looks gorgeous, just wondering if its as good in action as it does sitting on display. The specs are a little disappointing though, lack of rounds in the cartrage is a bit of a let down...
Well i can tell the the Compact 941 Jericho 9mm ends at looking gorgeous!! I recently used the pistol for 2 months as it was issued by the company as a PPW. Let me list the disadvantages:-
1.It is about as compact as having a brick in a holster.
2.The top slide is a lot thinner than an average pistol so making ready can be quite difficult.
3. The slide locking lever is to far forward to lock the working parts to the rear, without moving the pistol in your hand to gain purchase.
4. Trigger is weak and slow, causing problems when trying to double tap...even with good ammunition.
5. It wieghs over a kilo aswell
So if i were you i would leave it in the gun cabinet in the gun shop looking gorgeous, where it belongs!!
As the guys above have mentioned the Sig 226 is one hell of a pistol, and so is the HK USP, i can vouch for them as i have used them both.
However where i live and work at the moment concealability is the name of the game, i was going to go for the Glock 19 as again i am familiar with its operation, this is classed a compact pistol but i recently used the Glock 26 which is a Sub-compact pistol which again chambers a 9mm round.
The model i fired had been upgraded with a new compensator, which increased muzzle velocity and decreased the barrel rise considerably allowing a very close 2 round group on the double tap.
Also after a bit of investigation i found that due the the frame of the pistol been the same as the 17/19 you are able to fit either the 15 or 17 round magazine, although you will have to fit an adaptor to the magazine, as the standard issue magazine the 26 comes with forms part of the actual grip.
I also carry as back up a Walther P22, again a very compact pistol, one slight disadvantage though it is .22 which doesnt have much stopping power, but used in the right way can lead to the target dropping just as well as a 9mm or .45.
1.It is about as compact as having a brick in a holster.
2.The top slide is a lot thinner than an average pistol so making ready can be quite difficult.
3. The slide locking lever is to far forward to lock the working parts to the rear, without moving the pistol in your hand to gain purchase.
4. Trigger is weak and slow, causing problems when trying to double tap...even with good ammunition.
5. It wieghs over a kilo aswell
So if i were you i would leave it in the gun cabinet in the gun shop looking gorgeous, where it belongs!!
As the guys above have mentioned the Sig 226 is one hell of a pistol, and so is the HK USP, i can vouch for them as i have used them both.
However where i live and work at the moment concealability is the name of the game, i was going to go for the Glock 19 as again i am familiar with its operation, this is classed a compact pistol but i recently used the Glock 26 which is a Sub-compact pistol which again chambers a 9mm round.
The model i fired had been upgraded with a new compensator, which increased muzzle velocity and decreased the barrel rise considerably allowing a very close 2 round group on the double tap.
Also after a bit of investigation i found that due the the frame of the pistol been the same as the 17/19 you are able to fit either the 15 or 17 round magazine, although you will have to fit an adaptor to the magazine, as the standard issue magazine the 26 comes with forms part of the actual grip.
I also carry as back up a Walther P22, again a very compact pistol, one slight disadvantage though it is .22 which doesnt have much stopping power, but used in the right way can lead to the target dropping just as well as a 9mm or .45.
For me,
The Glock 17,good trigger pressure and a variety of quick draw holsters available from fobus. Easy to strip and assemble.
I favour this from the sig,although the first trigger pressure after cocking is increased to act as a safety,i find unless you are constantly using it there is a tendancy to pull the first shot.
The Glock 17,good trigger pressure and a variety of quick draw holsters available from fobus. Easy to strip and assemble.
I favour this from the sig,although the first trigger pressure after cocking is increased to act as a safety,i find unless you are constantly using it there is a tendancy to pull the first shot.
Glock 17, with only a couple of stoppages in 150.000 rounds, its the one for me.
It isn't the weapon which has the stopping power its the round, and for any hand gun you will want 115 grain minimum, this will be on the base of the round sometimes if not on the box. The police used to use 95 grain so the round didn,t over penetrate, problem being one round would not "stop" the suspect so ultimately more rounds have to be used.
It isn't the weapon which has the stopping power its the round, and for any hand gun you will want 115 grain minimum, this will be on the base of the round sometimes if not on the box. The police used to use 95 grain so the round didn,t over penetrate, problem being one round would not "stop" the suspect so ultimately more rounds have to be used.
personal favourite firearms
my personal favourite is my old stable goverment model colt 45 obviously modified but other wise pretty much original
i always find if theyre hit they fall down and stop what they were doing
for many years i used to carry a model 27 or a 29 S&W but one shootout cured me of that no matter how fast you reload you cant beat a magazine change
my personal favourite is my old stable goverment model colt 45 obviously modified but other wise pretty much original
i always find if theyre hit they fall down and stop what they were doing
for many years i used to carry a model 27 or a 29 S&W but one shootout cured me of that no matter how fast you reload you cant beat a magazine change
I've used quite a few different pistols and always find the Glock 19 to be the best combination of reliability, accuracy, concealability and firepower. Some people complain about the lack of stopping power from the 9mm round but the fact is, 9mm ammo is easier to get in any 'war zone'. The pistols are so common that there is a massive choice of holsters available. I also prefer the 19 over the 17 as I find it locks tighter into my hand due to the slightly smaller grip size than the 17. Both excellent choices though.
I have used the Jericho and they are pretty crap. The safety is nigh on impossible to wipe off without changing your shooting grip, if you are carrying in condition 1 (hammer cocked/safety on). They are also heavy for their size and holster choice is almost limited to Fobus if you want to use a Kydex model.
I have used the Jericho and they are pretty crap. The safety is nigh on impossible to wipe off without changing your shooting grip, if you are carrying in condition 1 (hammer cocked/safety on). They are also heavy for their size and holster choice is almost limited to Fobus if you want to use a Kydex model.
At the end of the day its only another tool and we need to be able to use whatever is available!!!
I try not to get too hung up on makes & models... I just make sure whatever Im given to work with is clean and looked after and then make sure I get up to speed on my drills with it..
I try not to get too hung up on makes & models... I just make sure whatever Im given to work with is clean and looked after and then make sure I get up to speed on my drills with it..
wel i agree that any weapon should be workable and off course first action should allways be take what you can get with the best available being the one in best condition and best ammo available at the same time if you work for decent people they will endevour to supply your favourite and remember if they only have shit sidearms should you be there
Paddington
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Def the Glock 17 and 23 - the 19 is too small a handle.
Excellent for CQB and easy draw as said above. The mechanism is easy to clean and put together with no fuss.
1000's of rounds and only 4-5 stoppages.
No hammer to pull back , so extra safe.
But I know Hippy will go back to his Wppk or CZ 75/52?
Excellent for CQB and easy draw as said above. The mechanism is easy to clean and put together with no fuss.
1000's of rounds and only 4-5 stoppages.
No hammer to pull back , so extra safe.
But I know Hippy will go back to his Wppk or CZ 75/52?
I did love my CZ... But as said earlier... its a tool and we need to use whatever we get...
Recently escorted chairman to Dhaka and all I could get was a Markov... So I make do.. I ensure its clean and servicable.. I ensure the ammunition appears in good order and i ensure MY drills are up to speed with that weapon...
In other words folks.... I ADAPT!
Exactly... Thats my point... You may not get a choice... You may not like what you can get... So dont get hung up on it, make it work... Its only a tool... I dont hear plumbers discussing their prefered wrench!
protectivesecurity
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I completely agree and having a smaller hand I found this to be my weapon of choice (Glock 19).
I have used both and must say I am more than competent with either really as I have used both extensively during certain times in my Army career and subsequently my civilian. I have found the Glock to be more forgiving on its first shot due to the double action of the Sig,but once this has been overcome then the Sig is just as handy. For those that are conscious of the Sig tendency on its first shot, may I suggest you go for maximum trauma to the body by aiming central and following quickly with a second. If the giant of a target or Real-life-figure 11 is still walking then quickly put another two in.
The range is the place to find out which you are more comfortable with and if all else fails then I have found MLRS (Multi-launch Rocket System) tends to illiminate the threat.