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No, and no, simply! Your question scares me a little, please tell me your not a gun nut!! lol
i am very interested in guns but im not asking because i was wanting to do it, i was just seeing if police in the UK had the same rules as the Police in the US, as a police officer in the US u can order what ever you want. i guess in the UK we are way more strict with our gun laws fairly good thing i guess
You sure you wouldn't prefer a little time in the forces before you join civpol? Sounds like you're looking for maybe more excitment than AFO is going to give you. Don't forget if you fire your weapon in anger on the street you can look forward to a 2-3yr suspension while lots of men (and ladies!) in suits decide whether to prosecute you for murder or not!
And no, the US has vastly different gun laws to the UK as you say, so the control of police firearms is very high.
And no, the US has vastly different gun laws to the UK as you say, so the control of police firearms is very high.
You sure you wouldn't prefer a little time in the forces before you join civpol? Sounds like you're looking for maybe more excitment than AFO is going to give you. Don't forget if you fire your weapon in anger on the street you can look forward to a 2-3yr suspension while lots of men (and ladies!) in suits decide whether to prosecute you for murder or not!
And no, the US has vastly different gun laws to the UK as you say, so the control of police firearms is very high.
i know the red tape is stopping police doing their job properly, if your put in a situation where u have to make a split second decision or someone or yourself can be killed, you cant afford to think "oh wait i could go prission" before you take the shot. and no to the army. the cut backs this government has made on this army has made the the country weak, im just glad we are at war with a developing country rather than a developed country or we would of had our asses handed to us. thank god we still have the best special services in the world. also i do not agree with the foreign policy of the UK so i will not risk my life for something i do not agree with
Personally think the strength of the british army is in the quality of it's soldiers and not the funding it receives - because let's face it, our army has never had enough money, most armies never do unless someone is planning on invading with it... As for risking your life to enforce policy you don't agree with.. welcome to the police force, it's the same thing mate, admittedly less risk, but still an increasing risk with global terrorism blah blah blah, but honestly the most frustrating thing is enforcing policies that are just plain stupid that have been decided upon by the govt.
Be carefull of saying stuff like the special forces have sorted it all too, as good as they are, it's the army, navy, airforce and marines as a whole who are doing it day in day out and sorting it. They are all very professional well trained discplined soldiers, and it is this that is stopping us losing more to the conflicts, simply the way they "police" as an occupying force is something a lot of armies could learn from.
ynwa - Is there still much risk to PSNI then? Obviously it's all calmed down a fair bit over the years, just wondering how much is still happening over there.. do the officers still need the PPW's or is it just something that is carried over?
Be carefull of saying stuff like the special forces have sorted it all too, as good as they are, it's the army, navy, airforce and marines as a whole who are doing it day in day out and sorting it. They are all very professional well trained discplined soldiers, and it is this that is stopping us losing more to the conflicts, simply the way they "police" as an occupying force is something a lot of armies could learn from.
ynwa - Is there still much risk to PSNI then? Obviously it's all calmed down a fair bit over the years, just wondering how much is still happening over there.. do the officers still need the PPW's or is it just something that is carried over?
Greek,
I can not agree more with the posts written by Shorty/Co19......you will need a minimum of 5 years in the uniform positions before applying for firearms positions. You will have to complete the pre selection course as well.... My advice would be think carefully about the role firearms officers play. As previously mentioned they work there nuts off on a daily basis only to be F****D by the suits when they discharge there weapons. taake the recent tragic events in west London with that lawyer. The IPCC have said they will only do a preliminary report for 4 months time... Those guys will be suspened from front line till then.
Shortys last comments are so true, The job is F*****....I have left the Met as i was fed up with politics and form filling and ass covering...There are some amazing positions available once you are inside in a wide variety of posts but please dont compare policing in the UK with the US as you will be dissappointed.
My advice if you want a real feel for what policing london is like ask to be posted to an inner london borough. Try Southwark,lambeth, Tower Hamlets, Hackney but dont forget your MetVest.....Be safe
I can not agree more with the posts written by Shorty/Co19......you will need a minimum of 5 years in the uniform positions before applying for firearms positions. You will have to complete the pre selection course as well.... My advice would be think carefully about the role firearms officers play. As previously mentioned they work there nuts off on a daily basis only to be F****D by the suits when they discharge there weapons. taake the recent tragic events in west London with that lawyer. The IPCC have said they will only do a preliminary report for 4 months time... Those guys will be suspened from front line till then.
Shortys last comments are so true, The job is F*****....I have left the Met as i was fed up with politics and form filling and ass covering...There are some amazing positions available once you are inside in a wide variety of posts but please dont compare policing in the UK with the US as you will be dissappointed.
My advice if you want a real feel for what policing london is like ask to be posted to an inner london borough. Try Southwark,lambeth, Tower Hamlets, Hackney but dont forget your MetVest.....Be safe
Personally think the strength of the british army is in the quality of it's soldiers and not the funding it receives - because let's face it, our army has never had enough money, most armies never do unless someone is planning on invading with it... As for risking your life to enforce policy you don't agree with.. welcome to the police force, it's the same thing mate, admittedly less risk, but still an increasing risk with global terrorism blah blah blah, but honestly the most frustrating thing is enforcing policies that are just plain stupid that have been decided upon by the govt.
Be carefull of saying stuff like the special forces have sorted it all too, as good as they are, it's the army, navy, airforce and marines as a whole who are doing it day in day out and sorting it. They are all very professional well trained discplined soldiers, and it is this that is stopping us losing more to the conflicts, simply the way they "police" as an occupying force is something a lot of armies could learn from.
ynwa - Is there still much risk to PSNI then? Obviously it's all calmed down a fair bit over the years, just wondering how much is still happening over there.. do the officers still need the PPW's or is it just something that is carried over?
thats not totally true, the UK had the biggest Navy in the world, but due to cut backs its now not. the US, Chinese and Russian armys are now getting everything they want. granted our forces are way better trained than the Russian and Chinese and maybe even US to a degree. but training is only half the job u need the tools to go with it. the amount of tax we pay on everything our army should be getting the works. major generals have also complained about this situation the blunt truth is the cut backs are making us weak, more vulnerable, and endangering the well trained service men and women.
right now im just waiting to start my career in the met, long term goal is to join the ARV teams, i know its going to be a long process but it don't bother me. i was preparing for it to be long.What is your role, job spec at the moment
Shorty,
its nowhere near as bad as it was. Personally i feel the threat for on duty officers is much worse in the mainland, and also for the gardai in southern ireland. The gardai mainly for gangland crime, and in my own limited opinion on the mainland, gangland crime and that ever present threat of suicide bombers.
But sadly there still remains a threat off duty for all psni officers. Just yesterday an undercar booby trap (IED) almost killed an off duty officer. He was very lucky that he is only suffering from serious leg injuries. If you can call it that. That is the 3rd attempt on off duty psni officers since last august. The 1st 2 were shootings, one where an off duty officer was leaving his child to school. Through the mercy of God, those responsible are still looking for their 1st kill (police officer that is) since the good friday agreement.
regarding the PPW, i think that it is mainly an arse covering excercise for the main part. Alot of officers see the introduction of the ARV's in northern ireland will be the beginning of the end for the carrying of the glock's while on duty in certain area's. Back to the arse covering: If they are taken away (the ppw's), and an off duty officer is shot and he has no protection, it will leave the service open to a claim for failing to carry out it's duty of care to it's employees in light of the past history. Yes it is "peace" but there are always those who would prefer it the other way. and will do anything to achieve. I believe it's only a matter of time before an off duty officer is killed.
I am guessing that alot on the forum will be suprised that the PSNI do not have an ARV unit. they will shortly.
its nowhere near as bad as it was. Personally i feel the threat for on duty officers is much worse in the mainland, and also for the gardai in southern ireland. The gardai mainly for gangland crime, and in my own limited opinion on the mainland, gangland crime and that ever present threat of suicide bombers.
But sadly there still remains a threat off duty for all psni officers. Just yesterday an undercar booby trap (IED) almost killed an off duty officer. He was very lucky that he is only suffering from serious leg injuries. If you can call it that. That is the 3rd attempt on off duty psni officers since last august. The 1st 2 were shootings, one where an off duty officer was leaving his child to school. Through the mercy of God, those responsible are still looking for their 1st kill (police officer that is) since the good friday agreement.
regarding the PPW, i think that it is mainly an arse covering excercise for the main part. Alot of officers see the introduction of the ARV's in northern ireland will be the beginning of the end for the carrying of the glock's while on duty in certain area's. Back to the arse covering: If they are taken away (the ppw's), and an off duty officer is shot and he has no protection, it will leave the service open to a claim for failing to carry out it's duty of care to it's employees in light of the past history. Yes it is "peace" but there are always those who would prefer it the other way. and will do anything to achieve. I believe it's only a matter of time before an off duty officer is killed.
I am guessing that alot on the forum will be suprised that the PSNI do not have an ARV unit. they will shortly.
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North American Approach to Firearms.
In Ontario Canada, Officially Police Officer aren’t permitted to carry off duty, unless the have written permission from their COP to do so, even with the increased gun violence by the criminal gangs in the metropolitan cities. Primarily due to the politically correct fluffy bunnies believing it’s culturally offensive and a potential danger to the Canadian general public and their image of the Police. Sad but true… Were as the US officers are permitted to carry off duty, for 2 main reasons, now these are in no specific order;
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In Ontario Canada, Officially Police Officer aren’t permitted to carry off duty, unless the have written permission from their COP to do so, even with the increased gun violence by the criminal gangs in the metropolitan cities. Primarily due to the politically correct fluffy bunnies believing it’s culturally offensive and a potential danger to the Canadian general public and their image of the Police. Sad but true… Were as the US officers are permitted to carry off duty, for 2 main reasons, now these are in no specific order;
- US Police Officers / Law Enforcement Officers (LEO) are considered never off duty, even when they are officially off duty. If a criminal incident occurs around an off duty officer and he does nothing to intervene he can be held responsible in a criminal or civil legal action. It is therefore in his or her best intrest to carry off duty.
- Officer’s personal/family protection, as the threat to an officer’s safety while off duty by person or persons he has arrested in the past, is seen as a viable threat. An example is an off duty officer is out shopping in a local store with his family or having a coffee in say Starbucks with a friend and is spotted by a criminal be put away. The criminal could decide to extract some sort of revenge on the off duty officer.
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