Self-loading vs semi-auto on FAC

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An interesting one...

On my FAC revision I declared two rifles chambered in .22LR, both of which have detachable magazines. They are both semi-automatic, and I specified them as such.

However, when the revised FAC came back newly printed, one of the rifles was listed as "self-loading."

My question is: what is the diference? (Especially as they both function the same way).
 
What is the wording for the two rifles on your FAC?

What rifles ae they? Both same? BRNO/CZ or Ruger 10/22?
 
Hi Rupert

They both operate the same as a 10/22 but they are not the same make and model. I can PM you the makes and models if you like, but really they load exactly the same. One squeeze of the trigger results in one shot, rearward movement of brass case drives bolt back, new cartridge is stripped from the magazine and chambered by the bolt as it comes back into battery under spring tension.

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Why not just ask your loacl FAO!?
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Because I have bothered him quite enough over the last few weeks getting moderators on my ticket. I don't want to irritate the guy by asking a lot of questions in a short period of time.
Besides, you guys are knowledgeable on these matters and someone here is bound to know!

:)
 
Its the same on my FAC which i have only just realised. I will ask my local FEO and get back to you.
M
 
The FAC is there to be bugged and answer questions on local rules and a law that is very mis-understood and not at all understood by the people meant to be upholding it.

If....for any reason.... it is incorrect and you get stopped by the plod and it's wrong, or they don't understand it (they never understand the SGC or FAC rule!) then it's you who takes the blame!!!

There are no stupid questions just questions that should have been asked that make you look stupid!

Walks
 
If....for any reason.... it is incorrect and you get stopped by the plod and it's wrong, or they don't understand it (they never understand the SGC or FAC rule!) then it's you who takes the blame!!!
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Well this is an interesting comment. It involves two different scenarios:

1) My scenario where the rifles are listed with different actions: one is semi-automatic and the other is self loading.

Okay, let's say I get stopped by the cops. They want to see what's in this long case I am carrying.
I tell him what it is and I produce the FAC. There it says I have two .22 rifles on my ticket. He can read it and see who the issuing authority is and what the serial numbers of the rifles are.
At this point maybe he checks me on the database, maybe not. Maybe he lets me go on my way, maybe he wants the case open for inspection.
Okay let's say I open it. Inside is one rifle, the one listed as "self-loading." There is also a detached magazine.
I would like you to tell me what the trigger is for this cop to say I am now in trouble because my FAC is "wrong" for that rifle. How in the hell is he going to know what action that particular rifle has, and furthermore how is he going to know (for argument sake) that where it is listed "self-loading" it should say "semi-automatic?"

2) In this scenario, let's pretend Mali didn't see this thread and remained blissfully unaware that his FAC was the same as mine with one rifle listed as "self-loading" and the other "semi-automatic." Let us also pretend for now that like me, when he applied for the FAC or revision thereof, he specified both of those rifles as being semi-automatic. Yet one has come back as "self-loading" as specified by the FET dealing with his case. Let's also assume that it is wrong to describe the action of the rifle as "self-loading."
Now Mali gets stopped by a cop who doesn't know anything about FACs and who gets the FET involved OR for some reason Mali gets a surprise inspection by a member of the same FET who issued the FAC, and the inspector takes issue with that description on the FAC.
Do you really think they are going to take him to task about that? Who is the quality controller of these certificates, is it Mali or is it the issuing authority?
 
I am also interested to see some info on this one, though for a different reason. My local shooting club positively encourages semi-auto handguns and shotguns, but I have been told that I cannot shoot a self-loading rifle.
 
I emailed my FAC recently and this was his reply:

There is no difference between semi auto and self loading I would guess that it was entered on your licence by different people.
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With regards to Customloads' question:

I am also interested to see some info on this one, though for a different reason. My local shooting club positively encourages semi-auto handguns and shotguns, but I have been told that I cannot shoot a self-loading rifle.
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I see you are on one of the Channel Islands. Rules are different there.
I believe even between Gurnsey and Jersey there are differences, sounds like your club is in Gurnsey. You need to look up your local rules specifically with regards to what channel island bailiwick you fall under.
 
Sorry, I only just picked up this thread. As explained by the FA licensing dept, it makes no difference whether it says Semi auto or self loading, they mean the same thing. The only thing you have to worry about is whether or not it strays in to the realms of Sec 5 a prohibited weapon.
As far as 'plod' is concerned, don't run away with the idea that they are looking to catch you out, if the weapon is on your licence and the serial numbers correspond they won't give a toss!
Of more concern to me is the fact that the CAA and G4S at Heathrow, think that a Semi auto shotgun is a Sec 5 Prohibited weapon!
I have invited them to call the cops and, potentially, have me arrested for possession of an unauthorised Section 5 weapon, but so far they have all declined. I have tried to speak to them but G4S blame the CAA and the CAA appear to be steadfast in their ascertian of what a sec 5 weapon is, even though it's wrong.
 
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