Worst security detail ever...?

Yes this should of been avoided but all your seeing is a 30 sec clip of the incident itself..... You are not in a position to judge! Action will always beat reaction especially if someone is determined!

Now you state that you can see this is "a comedy of errors" so please tell me with your vast amount of cp experience from working in a commercial, military and police environment and watching 30 sec clip what are they??
 
Just guessing, but he looks like part of a security detail himself - he's wearing event ID around his neck, is dressed like another guy at 2:35, he's not dressed like any delegates and Mr Dogan isn't distracted by his approach and there's no commotion as he runs down the isle, so I presume he's already standing just out of shot at the front or side of the stage.

If true, guarding against an 'inside man' is probably the hardest thing you can possibly do, so hardly a comedy of errors.
 
Considering what could be seen and the weapon used (not just a gas pistol but as it seems one loaded with pepper spray), there has been some speculation (in Bulgaria and abroad) that it was all a hoax, in fact even the Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov finally came just to say the attack was "probably not staged". He also praised the reaction of the security detail as being "fast and adequate"... interesting opinion considering it comes from someone who happens to be a former bodyguard himself, in the 1990's Boyko Borisov founded a PSC and worked in the protection of public figures as Todor Zhikov and Simeon II of Bulgaria.

On the other hand, the attacker claims he did not want to kill Ahmed Dogan, just to teach him a lesson by showing that he was not 'untouchable', though he also believed he was going to be killed during his attack. So much for teaching lessons. If in the end it turns out there was some degree of staging, no wonder things happened as they did but hoax or not, all this looks strange. Although in my opinion it still can't reach the high level of "performance" shown by the Czech President Vaclav Klaus (aka the pen grabber) security detail.
 
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Yes this should of been avoided but all your seeing is a 30 sec clip of the incident itself..... You are not in a position to judge! Action will always beat reaction especially if someone is determined!

Now you state that you can see this is "a comedy of errors" so please tell me with your vast amount of cp experience from working in a commercial, military and police environment and watching 30 sec clip what are they??
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I'll be interested to read checkmates reply but here is mine.

Just by watching the video a few things spring to mind. The attacker had an ID badge, assuming it isn't fake then there was a lack of vetting giving a known criminal access in the first place. How did he get a gun, real or not, and two knives into a secure area of a building? If the Security were looking outwards instead of inwards they would have seen him coming and stopped him.The reaction of the Security was unbelievably slow when the attacker walked on stage, I had time to roll a fag waiting for an appearance! The method of subduing the attacker leaved a lot to be desired. Not comedy but plenty of errors that if it was a real attempt on his life would have been a glowing success.
 
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I make no comment at all to this incident,will leave that to all you experts out there?Like yourselves i checked out all known footage of filming to see where he was placed in the crowd whether he had an accomplice?or perhaps he was a decoy because if you check out further footage you will see the victim of the attack was still only thirty feet away still on the stage area?roughly where the attacker made his entrance ?,the victim is still unprotected for a further two minutes with no security ,i have attached a link of one of the many you tube clips of the control and restraint of the security forces, who obviously have not done an SIA course. Yes, i am taking the piss. ÕúÑÂúûу÷øòýø úðôрø þт ýðÿðôõýøõтþ ÑÂÑщу Ãâ€Ã¾Ã³Ã°Ã½ - YouTube
 
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I'm no expert Kman, I haven't even been on a two week zero to hero course either. I don't think you need to be an expert to come to the conclusion that if someone walks up to a VIP, puts a gun to his forehead and pulls the trigger, there has been a serious fcuk up in regards to Security. ( just my armchair opinion of course ;) )
 
Apologies for late response.

Ok, there were a few things that struck me about this. Firstly, how did the attacker obtain the security passes needed to access the building? If, as MrBlonde suggested, he was part of the security detail then admittedly this would be relatively simple. Secondly, once the assailant was apprehended, is it professional to then publicly beat him while he is restrained in full view of the media? Not only that, but allow onlookers who didn't appear to be part of the security team to also get involved in the assault? This occurred both in the conference room and then again in the lobby area.
Once he was restrained and subdued, shouldn't the priority have been removing the attacker from the venue? For all we know, he could have been wired with explosives. This may have lessened the chaotic effect of the subsequent melee which ensued.
Furthermore, at around the 0:27 mark, a gun is shown on the floor. Yes, there were security team members standing over it but it wouldn't have been difficult for someone else to pick it up. I would have thought that covering it and putting one foot on it would have been a better course of action.
I won't even comment on the part where his trousers were pulled down...?!?

Of course, I fully appreciate that all of this is easier to judge with the benefit of hindsight.

Thanks for your input MrBlonde, Sergic08 and Sabre.

Thanks also to JOHNPIQUE for your highly intellectual and mature response. As stated in the first instance, I openly admit to having very little active CP experience. And as there is not much info on your profile, I can only assume that you are the fountain of all knowledge. So I'll be sure to run anything else past you before I post in future. Whilst you do make a valid point, perhaps you could have presented it in a more constructive manner.
I can only comment on the evidence in front of me. I didn't pretend to know all the details, I was only referring to the clip in question and giving my amateur opinion. This is a forum, I encourage people to disagree and debate with me, but please bear in mind the manner in which to do so.

Thanks all.
 
Not sure how many of you have been to government conferences, forums, summits...... But that is not a security badge. Like all after you register in advance (pay fee if applicable) one will get a registration letter, stating that you are registered for the event. It always good to keep the letter for international events because this is also part of the embassy invitation as well. When you arrive to the event (most you have to check your coat), present your letter, collect your name tag or lanyard and the program handout. Then you go through security that is very much a joke.

You are in and clear.

The question is who does not take a weapon when attending such events, when the shit hits the fan it could happen anywhere and anytime. The perps may decide they would like to use the same egress point I want to use whilst the mass crowd panics out the main egress. If that is the case I will not be caught with my d*ck in hand.

Most of the pre-event parties at the embassies have very little door screening security. I have never seen a British emabssy or Belgium embassy screen there guest during these events. Even the US runs a very lax security screening during these events. However it would not be advisable to tempt the security you do not see.

I am not sure if politics are anyones hobby here but these forums are tons of fun. Not to mention it is the best networking platform one could attend working security or intel in the security or defense industries. You want to fill a private work schedule, attend these, be informed, have good conversational knowledge of current issues and work the floor. If you do not walk out of there with at least 25 new business prospects something is very wrong with you. I have been in the defense industry for many years and the only other attendees I have met there working security are the couple I bring along.

The events can range from 2K-0 in price, they always pay for them selves ten fold.
 
I think this close protection security detail is not bad.
Please folow me.
Is so dificult protect this kind of protectee profile particular in this kind of events when the first line of defence from the outside to the inside ring is made by others strange to the personal close protection detail (many things can happen).
Look the weappon desarm made by the protectee maybe his bodyguard detail train him a bit just in case.
Keep under control take a action at same time keep the attacker close to him dificult him arm the gun bodyguard close quarter combat at his best made by a protectee provide that half of second to his security detail act.
For sure is the worst assasin operative ever, don't check his weappon before operation start and alow be arrested lol.
With a Makarov at that distance target head blow way for sure.
 
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