Marsec companies that consider ex police firearms

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pcscb85

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Hello to all,

I know that there are one or two companies that look at ex police firearms officers with no military experience for maritime security (Triskel being one), but I was wondering if some of the experts on here know of any more companies that recruit former firearms bobbies.

I'm a former specialist firearms officer, trained on various weapon systems and to the national police standard in dynamic entry/intervention. I've completed all of the necessary marsec courses (save for the soon to standard city & guilds MSO course) and I have all the medical bits; eng1, yf etc.

I've tried every combination I can think of in the google search bar; "ex police firearms in maritime securtiy" etc. but I've found very little.

I'm sure there's bound to be some egos and sarcastic responses as there are with almost every thread but I'm really not trying to annoy anyone. I know I can apply to the one company I mentioned, it would be nice to know of a few others.

If anybody can find the time to share some information I would greatly appreciate it. I'm not one to ask for help until I've tried myself and this is me asking.

Thank you


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Highly unlikely.

You would be better going for mentor gigs in afghan.

However UK police aren't known for their firearms proficiency so that's pretty much sorted by the yanks.

Why would a company hire you when they have a million military guys with experience waiting to get on.

Correct me if i'm wrong but does the police get a lot of experience in suppressing targets are a great distance in small fire teams??
 
It's a fair point you make and well made it is. However since the attacks in Mumbai '08 uk police firearms team have implemented suppressive fire tactics. This of course is all single shot based as uk police are prohibited from auto so not quite to military standard.

I can see where this is going and I've obviously rubbed some people up the wrong way for asking. I would never dream of comparing myself or any other police officer, firearms or no to our armed forces. I have nothing but the utmost respect for our military. I'm not trying to play soldier, I'm just trying to utilise the skills I have obtained. I'll just apply to the company I know considers coppers.

Apologies for any offence caused.


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pcscb85 said:
It's a fair point you make and well made it is. However since the attacks in Mumbai '08 uk police firearms team have implemented suppressive fire tactics. This of course is all single shot based as uk police are prohibited from auto so not quite to military standard.

I can see where this is going and I've obviously rubbed some people up the wrong way for asking. I would never dream of comparing myself or any other police officer, firearms or no to our armed forces. I have nothing but the utmost respect for our military. I'm not trying to play soldier, I'm just trying to utilise the skills I have obtained. I'll just apply to the company I know considers coppers.

Apologies for any offence caused.


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The single shot is applicable, because all marsec weapons are semi-auto. (or they should be)

Its really irrelevant as you'll spend years never firing a shot.

I was talking about your comparison to military as in your market, it easier for companies to hire x-military because it fits better. There's probably no advantage having you of them or vice versa. However your background would probably be more applicable in training marsec guys.

I would imagine you would know best which companies hire guys like you by asking your colleagues. I've only seen Royal Marines hired (or army who have done the royal marine course) so theres quite a high order even among military
 
I see. Well thanks for the honest advice. I genuinely will pay heed to it.......and just cross my fingers!


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All marsec weapons are not semi auto, a lot of companies mix there weapons between bolt action (sect 1) and semi auto (sect 5).
 
ugh, it's like dealing with children sometimes.

Yes some marsec guys have bolt action, and yes sometimes police have full auto. And yes sometimes girls do swallow.

But in the context of this thread, the police officers experience with weapons does not translate over to the application of force in maritime. The physical act of firing the weapon may be relative but not the environment.

Sure he could learn, chances are he'll have a RM TL giving military firing orders which may not be known at first.

However, the chance of him having to fire his weapon beyond a test is slim.

Post counts not a competition lads...
 
Falklan said:
But in the context of this thread, the police officers experience with weapons does not translate over to the application of force in maritime.
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Certainly not trying to pick a fight here but...how are you the position of authority here Falkan?

Some UK Police carry full auto weapons.
Some UK Police carry out armed maritime operations...we are on an island afterall!
Some ex-UK Police work in marsec.

Back to the original question...you'd be better networking within the cops as I'm sure you could find someone to put in a good word for you with a company.
 
bppete said:
Certainly not trying to pick a fight here but...how are you the position of authority here Falkan?

Some UK Police carry full auto weapons.
Some UK Police carry out armed maritime operations...we are on an island afterall!
Some ex-UK Police work in marsec.

Back to the original question...you'd be better networking within the cops as I'm sure you could find someone to put in a good word for you with a company.
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I didn't say i was in a position of authority, however my experience would give me the position of wisdom, which is what the poster is looking for.

Let's not use the fact that the UK is an island to draw reference to anti-piracy work in the gulf of aden. I make toast, therefore by your analogy i can make a wedding cake.

Yes, some UK police officers do in fact carry full automatic firearms, i certainly doubt however they have had nearly as much experience with it as say someone in the military and of course the natural experience of using said automatic weapon to repeatedly perforate mud huts in some shit country . Also compound that with a variety of weapon systems, ammunition and firing under the control of a former British military soldier who will use a certain method of target indication with a fire control order which may not be familiar to the police officer. Sure he can be taught these things, they're not complicated.

Some Uk police do in fact work in marsec, along with royal marine band soldiers, navy cooks, doormen, TA's, greeks, philipinos, the paki that does my dry cleaning, it's an exhaustive list.

However, all of this doesn't matter, it's called semantics. Why would a company turn down a former Royal Marine to hire a police officer? The only way i could see that happening is if the guy in the office was either his friend or he knew someone. But just walking in off the street with a CV wouldn't be very beneficial as his credentials and skills don't put him above the competition. Unless he's willing to be paid less or work more.. and i doubt it.

Much as there's no natural link from military to police career transitions i also fear there's little transition from police to private warfare ... that is unless you're from northern ireland (popular in iraq for some reason) or you're from america where it's all SWAT and door kicking and you like advising Taliban.

And as i concluded a previous post, i agree that he would have to get in through someone he knows.

So there's my wisdom, however questionable if it's wise.
 
Ah the inevitable clashes a thread throws up.

Look lads lets not get bent out of shape. Everyone so far has had something to offer and I respect the opinions of those more informed on the subject than me.

I think it's clear that there aren't any "ins" for ex bobbies at the majority of PMSC's unless you know a bloke who knows a bloke.

Thanks for the input, really.



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pcscb85,

Mate your best action is to contact the companies direct, for instance Solace, Neptune, Drum & Cussac etc etc send in your CV and ask them out right, whats the worst the can do…say No!!!! make you swallow!!!!.

There are many a good companies which we all know about all of which say they have a certain standard, a bar in which the MSO to achieve, well i personally have been present with a few companies that say one thing but do another when it suits them so again i say to you look for your top 10 companies and get writing the emails / ring them up and ask them direct!

Bevs
 
Falklan...I'm also not wanting to pick a fight...but...I've had both Military and Police firearms experience, and, in my humble opinion, the rules applicable to UK Police use of firearms is far closer to the RUF of most of the PMSCs than the rules used by the military in most current 'hotspots'. While you may be, arguably, right that there is a reluctance for many PMSCs to employ ex-Police firearms officers, I am pretty confidant that it isn't that they are not equally as capable of doing the job as well as a former soldier. When, in an earlier post, you appeared to lump ex-Police firearms in with cooks, doorman etc. I think you were sailing pretty close to being downright insulting. You have not been a Police firearms officer, so you really have no idea what the standard is of training given. For instance, from the original post it looks to me like the guy is possibly a former Tactical Firearms Team officer, and would therefore have been trained in advanced intervention tactics....something which very very few military guys get training for.
 
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Hi DisceAutDiscede,

That is correct. Dynamic entry/dynamic intervention, method of entry, rapid interposition etc.

A lot of shooting over the years with various weapon systems; a reasonable amount of time on rifle ranges but most of our training was on building entry and combat shooting for room clearances. Our sop's totally prohibited automatic fire, on the range or otherwise, so I have never had the pleasure. I think it would only be in the most extreme circumstance that uk police would be authorised to use auto fire anyway, but perhaps I'm not so up to date


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