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Brethren

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Just a question for the RMP guys. I was in the RACMP and there was this ingrained general dislike towards the Corps from the wider service community. I don’t mean like a friendly rivalry, but I mean a total disdain towards Mp’s. Did you experience that?

I served as a Corporal in both garrison/barracks policing and field force units. I later transferred to the RAAF Reserve Sec Pol mustering. Must admit things seem’d more harmonious there.

 
'For the Troops and With the Troops'

I just read the through MOD website and see that the RMP are in the thick of it with the arms corps in Afghanistan. I dare say things have changed and all service people would be united and more supportive of each other. Silly post. No disrespect intended. .
 
Just a question for the RMP guys. I was in the RACMP and there was this ingrained general dislike towards the Corps from the wider service community. I don’t mean like a friendly rivalry, but I mean a total disdain towards Mp’s. Did you experience that?




I served as a Corporal in both garrison/barracks policing and field force units. I later transferred to the RAAF Reserve Sec Pol mustering. Must admit things seem’d more harmonious there.


Brethren:

I am not a member of the RMP. I am a Canadian Military Police Officer (9 years full-time service and 15 years part-time service).

To answer your question, MP (RMP, RACMP, Canadian MP, etc.) will never be popular. Due to our role in assisting commanders to maintain good order and discipline (the policing aspect of MP work) we will encounter resentment or opposition from time to time in certain parts of the Service. This has been true as long as the Military Police has existed, as referred to in the well-known quote below:
"The Provost must have a horse allowed him and some soldiers to
attend him and all the rest commanded to obey and assist or else the Service will suffer, for he is but one man and must correct many and therefore he cannot be beloved. And he must be riding from one garrison to another to see the soldiers do not outrage nor scathe the country."
- Articles of War, Charles I, 1629 (my emphasis added)

This was much worse in the old days, when MP were expected to help enforce dress regulations and when on patrol, ended up giving other soldiers a bollocking for being out of dress or for being poorly turned out when in public. Nowadays, we leave such matters where they properly belong, in the hands of RSMs and Squadron/Company Sergeants-Major.

In the Army, given the existence of certain testosterone-laden units comprised of fit aggressive young men with a tendency to get themselves into trouble (alcohol-induced or otherwise), the MP will always have a certain amount of enforcement work to do that will not make us loved or popular. This enforcement work will continue to fuel negative reactions in certain quarters.

However, the young aggressive combat arms soldiers do grow up and become more mature eventually and may improve their view of us when they are Senior NCOs or Sergeants-Major and they need our help to track down their young lads when they have gone astray.​

On many occasions, I have seen MPs go out of their way to help fellow soldiers (e.g. giving inebriated Infantrymen a lift back to their barracks). The MPs did this, not expecting thanks or to be loved, but simply to give some fellow troops a hand when they needed it.​

Bottom Line: Don't expect to be loved if you are an MP, but help the troops out when you can, and do what you can to save them from themselves.​


Regards,​

Dave (a Canadian Army Reserve MP Officer)​
 
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Just a question for the RMP guys. I was in the RACMP and there was this ingrained general dislike towards the Corps from the wider service community. I don’t mean like a friendly rivalry, but I mean a total disdain towards Mp’s. Did you experience that?

I served as a Corporal in both garrison/barracks policing and field force units. I later transferred to the RAAF Reserve Sec Pol mustering. Must admit things seem’d more harmonious there.



Disdain? You could call it that.

I was a glutton for punishment. I started military life at Depot Para then changed to RMP after a few weeks; (concerned at that early stage of what I would do when I left the Forces). I was posted to NI and ended up doing a soldiers job but was surrounded by guys not interested in soldiering. I then transferred back to the Paras and went up to Battalion for a further 5 years. I then met wife and needed more of a 'settled' existence so I transferred back to RMP solely to do CP. I did a further 7 years, most of which was in the CP role fortunately.

The long and short of this was that I saw both sides of the fence and experienced first hand the antagonistic approach by both sides.

Both units could not be further apart. When I was in the Paras anyone else in the Army was a 'Hat'. This description would even overlap guys from other units that were part of 5 Airborne Brigade and badged 'Para', (now 16 Air Assault).

When I was in the RMP, I was surrounded by guys and girls that treated the Army as a life support system as opposed to getting everything out of it as much as they could. They were unfit, disinterested and tick tock with police heads. Those people employed in the CP role however or the Para Provost were more of my character and I enjoyed my time there.

The RMP at the time had everything going for it. You could practically do any course you wanted, the Para Provost could be slotted on more jumps than a Para Battalion (I did more jumps with RMP than Para Reg) and the actual quality of life was better - (they had carpet on the floors).

If I had a huge phot of everyone I knew in Para Reg I would point out to a couple and say 'He was a knob and he was a knob'.

If I had the same but with RMP I would point out 'He was a good bloke and so was he'.

This of course is my personal experience which you could say was unique.

There will always be 'disdain' with elitist soldiering units and the RMP. The RMP are looked on, by Para's, as weak people, grasses and for the most part, shouldn't even be wearing a uniform, let alone be in Her Majesty's Forces.



Rich H
 
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Dave and Brethren,

I was UK RMP for 12 years. The younger troops still believe what their screws tell them and look foolish as a result. Anyone who's been in a while knows that the team works because everyone does their bit and knows what everyone else does. The RMP roles in Afghanistan are varied and the boys and girls are getting a far more balanced exposure to the wider army. We use a saying 'water off a duck's back' when we get abuse for just being MPs. Thankfully times are changing, just very slowly.

Stay Safe

Dave T
 
1/..Who likes their boss?
2/..Who likes the rule makers?
3/..Who likes rules?
4/..Who likes to be governed?
It is Human Nature non of us really like to be told what to do or how to do it,we accept it and get on with it.

The Million Dollar question is ..do we like the rule/law enforcers?? they certainly are not the first to be invited to the party UNLESS IT ALL GOES TITS UP !!! then we cant get enough of their company unless you are the arsehole who started the tits up trend!



NASH..
 
There will always be 'disdain' with elitist soldiering units and the RMP. The RMP are looked on, by Para's, as weak people, grasses and for the most part, shouldn't even be wearing a uniform, let alone be in Her Majesty's Forces.

Rich H:

I believe we had a similar exchange on CPW a few months ago. I am sorry that your time in the RMP was not a more positive experience. I have met and worked with a few RMP. All the RMP I have met seemed like good blokes to me.

MPs and Paras are definitely two different kinds of soldier - based on my own experiences in dealing with the Canadian Airborne Regt (before it was disbanded). You were Para Provost, so you managed to get the best of both worlds.

There are knobs in the MPs and in Airborne infantry units. Every military unit on Earth has its fair share of knobs and good blokes. Unfortunately, the knobs in the MPs are more visible due to their roles and the smaller size of MP units compared to teeth arms unit.

Regrettably, there some MPs who are overly focused on policing and don't realise that MPs are not a police force, but rather are a specialised type of soldier intended to support the operations of the rest of the Army. Often these guys have no understanding of what the Poor Bloody Infantryman has been through and do not give him a break (when dealing with less serious matters within individual MP discretion). Some of these folks have poor attitudes, poor fitness or poor soldiering skills. Some of these folks also are time servers with no interest/ambition to progress.

On the other hand, there are some MPs who are fit and keen soldiers, who have served in theatre embedded in combat arms units where they have earned the respect of the teeth arms soldiers. You seem to have had a bad experience in the RMP (less your time in CP or Para Provost).

In my view, MP is a great place to serve in the Army and a great opportunity to take courses, learn, improve one's skill and knowledge and grow to one's full potential, if one cares to make the effort. Like you, I sought whatever opportunities to learn and did not care to stagnate. I took whatever courses I could get and learnt much that helped me in may later military and civilian careers. I am not unusual. I served with plenty of other MPs with similar attitudes.

There is a definite case to be made to have MPs recruited from soldiers in teeth arms units (i.e. don't recruit them directly off the street, but select them from arms units). Such MPs would have had more soldiering experience, better soldier skills, operational service in teeth arms and have a better perspective on their role as MPs (i.e. primacy to M instead of P).

As to the Paras, as you point out, they have disdain for everyone who is not a Para. It was much the same for the Canadian Airborne Regt. Everyone else is a "hat" (or "leg" in Canadian/US parlance). This attitude is understandable to a certain point (unit pride and esprit de corps is very important in an "elite" unit, especially where the role entails conquering one's fear to jump out of aircraft).

Fair enough. There are other units/Corps (e.g. Guards, Royal Marines, etc.) who disdain the Paras. Beyond a certain point, this attitude becomes counter-productive, as it impedes co-ordination and co-operation in operations with other units/Corps. Even the keenest paratroopers on Earth need to be re-supplied and have their weapons maintained by "hats".

For MPs, this hostile attitude from the Paras or other units needs to be like water off a duck. One must have a thick skin to be an MP. I knew right from the start of my time in that being an MP would not make me popular or loved, and decided not to let that bother me. I hope that during my service I earned the respect of others with whom I served (MP and combat arms).

All Arms and Services have their jobs to do and all must get along well enough to ensure they work together effectively so the Army succeeeds in operations.


Regards,

Dave (I'm a "hat" / "leg". I'm an MP soldier [only part-time now] and proud of that.)
 
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I served as an RMP ANP mentor on Herrick 8, but worked out of the fob with 2 PARA lads the majority of the time.

There was a little disdain and caution to begin with, but by the end of the tour had an excellent relationship with them. After tour, I'd be on duty in Colly town centre and see them out pissing it up - cue plenty of friendly banter, but they remained spot on.

Huge amount of respect for the infantry, but especially the 2 PARA lads i worked with. Easily the most professional bunch of guys i encountered during my time in.
 
AlexMac:

Thanks for your post. When combat arms troops and MPs work together in theatre, once they get to know each other and if they see that each other are professionals and working togther to achieve common objectives, then hostility will go away to be replaced by mutual respect. I have heard similar experiences from Canadian MPs returning from theatre.


Regards,

Dave
 
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