Terrorist attack Westminster, London

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Oddjob

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Here we go; a vehicle based terrorist attack around Westminster, London.
One slain police officer doing his duty protecting Parliament and the public.
20 injured including fellow police officers. Reports of two other civilians murdered by the usual utter mindless scum. Finally ending in the murdering terrorist trash being gunned down like the rabid dog he was. (Was he known, would keeping him alive have garnered any useful info. Dead is a good place for the likes of him)

What really impressed me (and not for the first time) were the reports of doctors and nurses running over Westminster Bridge headlong into an unfolding and unknown situation within minutes of the first reports.
Let's hope we all have the courage to do just the same. As it should be part of our DNA as a member of the security world (duty of care of our clients not with standing)
God bless them all.
 
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The terrorist in these times remind me of the weasels lurking in the dark to over power a single drunk person for a fast ten.

I have better planning in taking a crap than these girls do these days, its no wonder why the pay has gone down so much. Heck you can get egotistical security to hunt these guys down now a days.

They keep getting less organized and more of a coward each passing year.

Good for that medical staff, just some good folks doing the right thing regardless of everything else. Selfless Service.
 
Use the Israeli approach, Strip the family assets,flatten the house and deport the rest of this scumbags family !.

I wonder if Tony the" peacemaker" will pop out from under his rock and be singing this clowns praises as well as his other scumbag mate...St Martin, just a pity he departed without a few holes around his ears also.
 
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biggimpy said:
I wonder if Tony the" peacemaker" will pop out from under his rock and be singing this clowns praises as well as his other scumbag mate...St Martin, just a pity he departed without a few holes around his ears also.
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Yeah he is joining Obama later, word is Obama is giving another speech about being more tolerant and forgiving and also to inform everyone it is their own fault. I heard it is going to be a distraction speech while he sneaks in thousands of Terry in the US. Ole Tony is there to keep an eye out.
 
Big gimpy I'm with you.
I tagged onto the earlier 'learn from the Israelis' post from a year or so ago.
Charity, understanding pity and christian ethics mean nothing to this scum. They bring their filth, divisions and their maniacal politics wrapped up in the pretence of a religion to a world that was at peace (relatively)
Discipline and control work well when a big dose of fear is added to the recipe. They learn their hate in their homes and communities. (It takes a village to raise a child after all)
Let those same hate tolerating homes and communities pay the price of peace.
Our communities and villages were destroyed by liberal loving councils and in turn they replaced them with ghettos of 'integration'.
 
Oddjob said:
Our communities and villages were destroyed by liberal loving councils and in turn they replaced them with ghettos of 'integration'.
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Not wanting to sound racist or bigoted but the simple fact is, those scumbags responsible for these and future acts don't want to to integrate nor do they want to live by our laws.

Regards

premier
 
Sadly they were encouraged to remain tribal-ised by the councils who housed them. Their 'values', their insidious values of hate were not allowed to be challenged by the resident, historic population of an already integrated for centuries London/Britain. (Huguenots in the 16/17th centuries. The irish, poles, Russians and Jews in the 19/20th century. The Kenyan/Ugandan Indians in the 70s)
All finding a way to become part of London. To appreciate and progress with us.
But it seems the modern idea is that
Tolerance was a one way street.
And the stop signs only faced one way.
You are the racist if you challenged the hate and bile preached by and seemingly accepted by the mosques and inane imans of a doctrine of political hate.
Is it too late - possibly
Is this how we are to live our daily lives now - on alert. Waiting for the next atrocity. Praying the services keep winning in this murderous game of chess. Until the one success of the ideas of the hate monger a picks at another easy target.
Time to start treading on toes. Time to challenge hate head on. Time to make them pay the price. Break up the feckless communities that thrive on this political hatred. Cast them to the winds. Why be in a city when you never work. Get out of the way.
If calling a doctrine of exclusion and hate preaching as just plain wrong; makes ME a racist ; so be it.
 
I am concerned this was a pathfinder mission, one guy set up to test the seat of Government's response to an attack.

Hope to be wrong.
 
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Not wanting to sound racist or bigoted but the simple fact is, those scumbags responsible for these and future acts don't want to to integrate nor do they want to live by our laws.

Regards

premier
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100% mukar it ain't raaasssist...if the flipflop fits ... and if the tree hugging bean freaks are willing to die instead of upsetting anyone they can fcuk off as well .
If these clowns want to live in the 12th century they can piss off to Saudi or the Yemen..see how their demands would be catered for there.
 
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premier said:
Not wanting to sound racist or bigoted but the simple fact is, those scumbags responsible for these and future acts don't want to to integrate nor do they want to live by our laws.

Regards

premier
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Whilst I'm not denying for one minute that there is a problem with a lack of integration by some, it doesn't apply to all Muslims, many are more than happy to integrate. On the other hand, quite a few of the radicals, including some of the ones who have carried out attacks are from Christian backgrounds and have "converted". The converts are generally more inclined to be radical because they have looked for "another way" because they are unhappy with the way things are and tend to get dragged into a radical version of Islam with no family or friends who are moderate Muslims to make them see sense. It should also be noted that many of the radicals (whether converts or not) have turned away from their families, so punishing the families isn't going to do any good.

Sadly, attacks like this only take one person and sod all planning. Nothing for the security services to pick up in intelligence gathering. Whilst this was undoubtedly terrorist, there have been other attacks that have just been carried out by lone nutcases with no political views whatsoever. There is little that can be done to protect from these type of attacks.

That said, I do think more needs to be done to remove citizenship and deport people whose views are far removed from what is acceptable in this country. It is possible to allow a wide range of views and yet still draw the line somewhere. Perhaps part of that should be restricting what exceptions can be made for people on grounds of supposed religious views. For instance we could insist that all animals are pre-stunned before being slaughtered, 80% of Halal meat already is, so why make any exceptions for the idiots that don't want to pre-stun because it hadn't been invented when the Koran was written.
 
We are making best use of this miserable incident.
By having our people think about what equipment could be easily carried or adapted on our person or in an office bag. That would have proved useful if we'd come across this tragedy or one similar.
I'm waiting on the answers to come back.
And outside of giving first aid what else could we do to assist with the situation and its subsequent investigation.
(Such as photograph and film as much of the people and scene as possible, as soon as possible)
All those selfies the media moaned and pointed out.. might just contain invaluable intel after all.
 
integration:
Where is the cristian/westerners guetto in Saudi Arabia, the social housing for minorities in Philipines?
How can I get mi sons to eat mac donalds or the most "western-culture" food in an arab country not having to pay extras?
How many licenses and public land for churches have been granted so far?
When did you see the last mini skirt in Iran? (Shaa times)

Western are paying to integrate muslims.
Muslims can use the traditional dressing even in public force uniforms that are adapted to the minority feeling instead to keep uniformity.
Prisoners sue (and win) for not being provided halal food or religious services.

Maybe I will sound strange being myself a foreigner in Scotland BUT, is it not the time to think twice next time "integration" comes to the speech?
I got here, searched for a job, got it!, applied for mi NIN, pay my monthly rent and even used my savings to start a new life here. I do not dress in "matador" suit and enjoy the haggis mince&tatties and fudge...
 
premier said:
Not wanting to sound racist or bigoted but the simple fact is, those scumbags responsible for these and future acts don't want to to integrate nor do they want to live by our laws.

Regards

premier
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I think we're way beyond "racism", which is just a bullshit PC construct anyway as EVERYONE will choose their own over those different to them. These bastards want all of us dead and the only way we're going to survive is by going on the offensive in such a way that it hits them so hard it will take them a thousand years to recover. They need to understand that even an attempt will bring death and destruction on their homelands.

Or.......

We can continue to appease them, bow to their demands, allow them to rape our women, terrorize our populations and tell ourselves that radical muslims are "just a tiny minority", all the while singing Kumbaya.

For God's sake wake up and see that the only difference between a "radical" muslim and "moderate" muslim is this:

A radical muslim wants to behead you

A moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to behead you
 
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Oddjob said:
We are making best use of this miserable incident.
By having our people think about what equipment could be easily carried or adapted on our person or in an office bag. That would have proved useful if we'd come across this tragedy or one similar.
I'm waiting on the answers to come back.
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My self I prefer guns, Five Seven, AK, Stagecoach 10 gauge, maybe a little Makarov with a fixed wet can. Although where your at it would just get you turned into suspect number 2.

Many years ago you mentioned your fighting umbrella Bartitsu I think it was, can not recall the thread exactly. Keep some folks at a distance, piss some folks off, but all you need is a decent distraction, some courage and skill, be like having sex for the first time, over before you know it.

But I still recommend a wet can permanently fixed in compact; no one is saying you need to be seen using it or that you even need to stick around when it is done. Just talking solutions.
 
Many years ago you mentioned your fighting umbrella Bartitsu I think it was, can not recall the thread exactly. Keep some folks at a distance, piss some folks off, but all you need is a decent distraction, some courage and skill, be like having sex for the first time, over before you know it.

I refute this completely.
let me make it clear from the outset.
I have never used an umbrella as a sex object or sex toy
(It was all a misunderstanding )

My unbreakable umbrella is about all we are allowed to carry to defend ourself here. To give us any distance.
Sadly it's weight; or lack of weight.
Doesn't make it the best 'weapon' per say to take down a deranged attacker.
In truth it's legality could be easily challenged in court by the way it's marketed on line.
Considering it was the MP and foreign minister -Tobias Elwood's PPO (I think ?)
who dispatched this last scum to the hell he deserves.
It is about time that civilian CP were allowed to 'tool up' with something more than 'wit and a nice suit'.
A baton at least would give us a fighting chance against a knife.
 
OJ,

It was Michael Fallon's CP TL that did that which needed to be done!
Good drills I call it.

Tobias Ellwood, former captain who delivered first aid /CPR until the paramedics arrived.

Referring to your umbrella, your defence in court should it ever be an issue is quite simply, this old umbrella was a gift, therefore I know nothing of it's design.... in fact I don't believe that exhibit A is my umbrella!!!

Regards

premier
 
So it would seem that a failure to integrate wasn't the issue here. It seems he was born here of Christian background (judging by names, not known if he was brought up in any religion) and converted late on in life after a lifetime of crime. In fact, it seems that conversion may have taken him away from crime (or possibly just getting old, or possibly having a partner and kid) and that he may have become radical more recently.
 
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So it would seem that a failure to integrate wasn't the issue here. It seems he was born here of Christian background (judging by names, not known if he was brought up in any religion) and converted late on in life after a lifetime of crime. In fact, it seems that conversion may have taken him away from crime (or possibly just getting old, or possibly having a partner and kid) and that he may have become radical more recently.
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Did you know that most conversions of indigenous Brits take place in jails, and that they are "converted" by muslims in jail for terrorism connected offenses?
 
There was a failure to integrate.
It seems he had failed to integrate with society, failed to integrate with decent law abiding society.
His conversion gave him the excuse and psychological freedom to blame his failures on others.
His lack of humanity and an inability to identify with the rest of society fitted like a jigsaw piece into the warped, evil doctrine of jihadist Islam.
 
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Did you know that most conversions of indigenous Brits take place in jails, and that they are "converted" by muslims in jail for terrorism connected offenses?
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Your point?
I'm not sure that it would be accurate to say most converts, it might be more accurate to say most that are converted to radical views. But certainly there is a big issue of people in prisons being converted and to a radical form of Islam, also not necessarily by those in for terrorist offences. (But certainly, those in for terrorism offences do need to be prevented from spreading their ideas in prison.)

The terrorists are taking people who don't fit into society, people who feel marginalised, people who hate the authorities and converting them. Religious groups of all sorts have a very long history of doing this, political extremists have also done it. The only difference with the Islamists is that as they use suicide missions as their main type of attack, they only need to find someone they can wind-up and let go, they don't need anyone reliable or trustworthy, it gives them a wider scope for recruiting and a better possibility of getting someone stupid enough to follow them.
 
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