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US Mass Shootings, 1982-2012: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation | Mother Jones
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US Mass Shootings, 1982-2012: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation | Mother Jones
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What is your point? Don't you understand English? I said:
I did not say I don't care about gun control, quite the reverseI said I couldn't give a crap about anything Rich H says ........
And you use a quote from the login page of a site where it says that the site supports gun control. I didn't write it, but I do agree with it. Like I said:
But, why did you not quote the WHOLE thing? If you are going to quote, then quote in context. It says:
SPACE COAST K9 IS OFFLINE AT THE MOMENT
This is because we are building redesigning the site to better reflect our campaign to have firearm and explosives dogs returning from deployment to be re-used in our schools handled by veterans.
It is has been made clear by recent events that our schools need to be hardened. Gun control is NOT the answer. Armed school staff is. Until the liberals realize this, we must do something.
Please do your research. If you had, you would know that Space Coast K9 is a not for profit set up to give back to the community by way of donating police dogs to departments without the budget. Since the Sandy Hook incident the focus on how we can contribute has, at the request of the people directly involved, changed.
You seem to have an idea that Space Coast Tactical LLC is just me and Howie, last time I looked it was way bigger that. I am however flattered that you think that Space Coast Tactical LLC and Space Coast K9 represent my personal views and that you think that I have that level of control. Sometimes they align because I work with like-minded people.
So, what is your point? Are you drunk?
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Are you saying that you completely agree with those statistics?
Sorry but I can't help thinking you are wrong. If gun control doesn't work then Why is there no mass shootings in the UK? I always thought it was because of the controls that were put into place that made it harder to obtain weapons, maybe I'm wrong?
The only way I can see that argument working is by using your own argument that its not the guns that kill people, but the people. So without Yank bashing its quite hard to answer this. But if I'm right, from your argument you would have to come to the conclusion that there is more bad people and nutters over there in the states than there is here in the UK?
By the way I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just using your argument to show you that the notion that gun control is useless is idiotic at the least!
So to conclude what readers of your posts get from your posts, there is nothing the US can do to stop these shootings, unless they control the people. And I thought it was us over here that were ruled by our government?!
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Yes you are correct, the problem is the whack jobs who get their hands on guns. Of course there are more, the population is much bigger. However, you cannot compare the United States to the UK because there is a total gun ban on handguns and semi auto rifles in the UK.
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OK i do appreciate that a gun ban will be hard to make work in america, it did in the UK what ever stats are tried to be brought up, i can accept that in the UK it did work mainly due to the general lives UK residents lead and that was that the main population didnt want or use weapons, it was farmers, a small amount of competition shooters etc etc.
Its been obviouse for along time that in the US gun culture is way way more involved than in the UK and i know it doesnt surprise anyone to know that, and i dont think its this which people are judging, im not but what i truely dont understand is how many people in the US simply dont want to change in the slightest to give all they can to STOP thier kids being shot dead in thier schools.
Its not going to be the first big change america has seen or dealt with, theres been many in the past, all it takes is people wanting it to change, then it will when the numbers and popular demand decide and in the process some will be pulled kicking and screaming in the process.
Question is.........how many more deaths are the US going to tollerate until what needs to change will change?
Thing is if the pro-gun groups actually come up with something which would go towards making things better or some kind of succesions then im sure the pro-gun would carry on enjoying what they enjoy doing and keep control of thier future, instead the way things are going then you will loose that ability and hand it over to your politicians who will then make decisions which will hurt you much more than if from the start you went some way in being part of the remedy, rather than the cause?
Anyhow im more than sure the american people have the answers, thing is will the right people come up with the amswers?
Cheers, Bren
Its been obviouse for along time that in the US gun culture is way way more involved than in the UK and i know it doesnt surprise anyone to know that, and i dont think its this which people are judging, im not but what i truely dont understand is how many people in the US simply dont want to change in the slightest to give all they can to STOP thier kids being shot dead in thier schools.
Its not going to be the first big change america has seen or dealt with, theres been many in the past, all it takes is people wanting it to change, then it will when the numbers and popular demand decide and in the process some will be pulled kicking and screaming in the process.
Question is.........how many more deaths are the US going to tollerate until what needs to change will change?
Thing is if the pro-gun groups actually come up with something which would go towards making things better or some kind of succesions then im sure the pro-gun would carry on enjoying what they enjoy doing and keep control of thier future, instead the way things are going then you will loose that ability and hand it over to your politicians who will then make decisions which will hurt you much more than if from the start you went some way in being part of the remedy, rather than the cause?
Anyhow im more than sure the american people have the answers, thing is will the right people come up with the amswers?
Cheers, Bren
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Not just Stallone, Schwarzenegger too... and other Hollywood celebrities like Kevin Bacon, Matt Damon, Mark Wahlberg, Alec Baldwin, Kevin Costner, Jeremy Renner, Jamie Foxx,... all well known for their movies against violence and gun culture, right? Hollywood stars are no more than armchair politicians, when not plain players into the game of whoring for politics. Schwarzenegger gives a nice example of the average star strong committed opinions, back in the times of Predator and Terminator he was a strong Second Amendment supporter then he got into politics and left for posterity quotes like "I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy". And speaking of Stallone, how nice of him, almost as much as when he turned a novel about a PTSD SF veteran into a franchise revolving around a cartoon tough guy. One can't take people like that seriously, they make a fortune being part of the problem and then go to preach with full pockets. Yes, it is all about the money and I have no problem with people making money but I can't help laughing at hypocrites trying to hide their pure economical interests behind a curtain of alleged values and good-hearted ideas.
Also surely by arming more people, because they feel they have to own a gun to protect them self says a lot. If you can't walk around in a school without a gun and feel that schools should have armed guards then there is something wrong. If I felt that I had to carry a gun as part of daily life I would feel that the government were in breach of my human rights, and not doing their jobs properly.
I have tried to compose myself in my posts until now. However by saying we need to arm more people, arm guards at schools and in public places. It is the US's way of saying "shit we have completely lost control of law and order, better to buy yourself a gun because we can't protect you". It's absolutely ridiculous! Can the police over there not do their jobs properly? Or is there just so many nutters that everyone is to scared to go out without carrying a gun? What the hell is wrong with people over there!?
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I have tried to compose myself in my posts until now. However by saying we need to arm more people, arm guards at schools and in public places. It is the US's way of saying "shit we have completely lost control of law and order, better to buy yourself a gun because we can't protect you". It's absolutely ridiculous! Can the police over there not do their jobs properly? Or is there just so many nutters that everyone is to scared to go out without carrying a gun? What the hell is wrong with people over there!?
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No-one is saying there shouldn't be change. It's the politically motivated change being sought by the Obama administration that is the problem. Obama is showboating by trying to convince the sheeple that he can legislate against active shooters.
Making new laws that virtually say the same thing as old laws isn't going to work Why? because the old laws are not being enforced so how will they enforce the new ones? Enforcement of laws already on the books could have prevented many active shooter incidents. These are Federal laws and ultimately responsibility for their enforcement lies with the Federal government agencies, not local law enforcement.
Change should start by enforcing existing laws
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I haven't "finally" understood anything. The reasons for the 2nd Amendment remain valid. A total ban in the UK was enforced because there was no pre-existing gun culture, no safeguards such as the 2nd amendment to prevent government doing exactly what they wanted and, more importantly the people did not have the will to fight it.
Lets say a ban does come into play, how would that ban affect the US Department of Justice Curio & Relic list?
This I only ask because most of the weapons being used are on this list. Hell my two carries are on this list.
The list is truly untouchable, people have tried in the past but if it is on that list then they can not touch it.
www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/p-5300-11-firearms-curios-or-relics-list.pdf
This I only ask because most of the weapons being used are on this list. Hell my two carries are on this list.
The list is truly untouchable, people have tried in the past but if it is on that list then they can not touch it.
www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/p-5300-11-firearms-curios-or-relics-list.pdf
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Brengunner
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Fair play, the gun control works in the UK due to the restrictions being inforced by the firearms dept and punishment being dished out when needed.
So SCT are you really saying that the enforement is so poor by governing bodies that its not fit for purpose?
Do you think it is becuase of the numbers of weapon owners in the US which makes it difficult to control?
Could limiting the numbers of weapons lead to better control then?
Cheers, Bren
So SCT are you really saying that the enforement is so poor by governing bodies that its not fit for purpose?
Do you think it is becuase of the numbers of weapon owners in the US which makes it difficult to control?
Could limiting the numbers of weapons lead to better control then?
Cheers, Bren
Brengunner
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If people don't have the will to fight the government the Giving them a gun isn't going to do anything! Are you seriously saying that if the government started doing things the people didn't like then the people would stand up and revolt? If you are then You're deluded. Nothing like what happened in the Arab states would ever happen in the US! Mainly because the government wouldn't let it happen. All the 2nd amendment is, is a piece of history that gives the American citizens the notion that they are free people. In reality it's a load of crap that makes it easier to have weapons and keep people happy. The government in the US can do as they please the same as ours can over here, a load of nutters with guns won't stop them!
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Do you think they would not revolt. Just watch one episode of Duck Dynasty and tell me that those boys would listen if someone said they could not have guns. Texas Cattle Ranches, they do not call the police when they have 20+ members toting dope over there land. Indian Reservations, tribal judge or not they are sick of All Might Whitey's laws and would not tolerate it.
It would turn into hell real fast trying something like that..
However it is always a very fun argument. Kind of like the Islam argument. The two subjects are the same, any time Islam in the western world comes up into question or gun control all the really angry people come and start doing some wild stuff. But that does not mean that every Muslim is bad or everyone with a gun is bad.
That only means that if the goods ones do speak up it is presenting the perception that they support such radical ideas. The good ones can just sit back and relax because they know those bad ones out there are going to pop up on someone's special attention list.
Do you think they would not revolt. Just watch one episode of Duck Dynasty and tell me that those boys would listen if someone said they could not have guns. Texas Cattle Ranches, they do not call the police when they have 20+ members toting dope over there land. Indian Reservations, tribal judge or not they are sick of All Might Whitey's laws and would not tolerate it.
It would turn into hell real fast trying something like that..
However it is always a very fun argument. Kind of like the Islam argument. The two subjects are the same, any time Islam in the western world comes up into question or gun control all the really angry people come and start doing some wild stuff. But that does not mean that every Muslim is bad or everyone with a gun is bad.
That only means that if the goods ones do speak up it is presenting the perception that they support such radical ideas. The good ones can just sit back and relax because they know those bad ones out there are going to pop up on someone's special attention list.