Working with Walt!

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fidelis2007

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What you guys would do in this case when on a very first mission you realize you're working with Walt???????

Recently been moved to another work site cause been offered better money and i took it. So on the site were some blokes that i know from before but with much less time within a company.As a new on site i'm 2IC.

And the story goes this way: TL is a guy with much lees time spent in country and in company and we went on our first mission together.

I was surprised when he didn't brief clients,when on arrival point he didn't wait for a perimeter to be set and some other things that are usual in this job.Oh but he was holding his AK with him all the time (maybe scared??)!!And not to forget his attitude to LN (team,IP).

Now i'm wondering my self should i talk with bosses or just keep quiet and take my salary (it's a very nice one today)??And wondering even better how he was hired cause it's more than obvious that he never done any PSD course and i've started to doubt in his background.It's a very young guy.

DEUS VULT!
 
Id keep quiet look for another job where people look at the quality of the people they put in charge of you. They will see it as your not saying somthing for the good of the company its for your benefit, because its getting on your nerves, you should be able to say somthing its your job to advise but in an industy full of ego 90% of them being a joke they wont get it. Find your 10% and let the rest walt on ! If I had a quid for every gobby jackwagon whos a legend in thier own lunchtime id retire. You deserve better mate
 
Ask him about his procedures, why he is not following the SOPs you are familiar with and what he expects from you as 2IC.

Get him to go through the company directives, just as a talking point. If (when) he does not know anything about them then tell him you need to feed that back to HQ.
 
Your his 2ic.
Ask him how he wants it done.
That starts the discussion.
then you might get to the full truth and measure
It's your safety you're ensuring, best he get it right.
Will talking to the higher echelons, do it. ?
For as they hired him, it's their embarrassment.
I don't envy you this thankless task, but it's in your best interests to face it.
 
Take him round the back and fill him in mate, easy found out these guy. Drill the team to death, see what his skills are like when your dry training. Ask him for advice on contacts you have been in on other tours and ask him what drills he would of done. Best one just come out an ask him easy if you think he telling a few lies, just say BULLSHIT MAN. At the end of the day your there to still alive not mess about with some bullshit billy...
 
All i seem to read is pages and pages about how difficult it is to get into the industry. Then i read stuff like this where you clearly have someone who hasn't got a days experience in anything combat or CP related, turning up not just as an Operator, but a TL for gods sake.

Oh and for the record go with maddogs plan..

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It's that networking advice.
Some people are better at it, they market themselves better, they garner friends with greater ease.
Who you know, not what you know etc.
With that in mind, considering this guy might be well connected, so you'll be criticising a collective as such.
You might find his removal easier said than done.
 
Fully agree Oddjob but in a non hostile environment it doesn't matter overly if he cocks it up a few times. But hostile environments as you know,and especially Iraq where the life support has been dramatically downsized your drills and skills have to be one hundred percent. Iraq is no place for amateurs however well connected,and shame on the company for employing him.

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Yes shame on the company, shame on the recruiter.
In your environment the risks are bloody high enough, without some wannabe.
But you'll see time and time again.
Network, network, network.
This boy must be connected somehow.
That's what makes him so dangerous.
Mixed, worked and learned from ex and servicing military all my life, it goes with the territory.
They often said a good officer is led by his better than equal sergeant.
So if you ain't going to lose him straight away or some time soon, for your own safety you might have to lead him.
as was said they are on the same pay. Nothing lost really, till it can be sorted by someone with common sense, if you can find them.
 
But even if he is led by his 2IC, thats not going to stop him losing it if there's a contact, if you're lucky he'll get himself killed, if not he'll get someone else killed.
What about if you all get arrested, as seems to be happening quite a bit now? Is he going to sit in the cells for a few hours or days, or is he going to do anything to get himself out, such as making false statements about others.
That sort of environment has more than enough problems for you to deal with without having an extra liability.
 
And yet guys like me can't even get in as a team member.
That's what happens when you have idiots with their B.A's in bullshit in charge of recruitment.
 
I fully agree with you.
By all accounts he shouldn't be there.
But HE IS. SOMEONE PUT HIM THERE.
That's the two fold problem.
Start the process to question his position and removal.
In the mean time, the job goes on, and needs addressing.

However as it's been pointed out before.
I'm not there, I know nothing of what happens on the ground, never done it.
So I'll but out.
it was just some problem/personnel suggestions that have been used in the past.
 
All the replies are great, not much to add! Nevertheless I'll say that we would be lying if we say that we have not been faced with similar situations. If he is there, its unfortunate but somebody likes him! its not a perfect market but that's what it is, work with it. Work with your team, see if he follows some adjustments if possible. If the safety issue get really serious then I would leave in a nice way. I probably would say somthing but I'd be sure to put it in a nice way! Reputation will follow you and sometimes even if you are right on a matter a faulty handling will be a bad weight throughout your carreer. Only in rare occasions have I worked with a team that was at top standards and yes sometimes it was the lead that was the worst! Be safe and good luck!
 
quick fix to problem ; self policing and SOP's on the place.... multiply that with your rotation days and you will not have a problem.

working with walts was always top problem...recently drove 12h from basra to baghdad due shity vehicle services...problems were reported on daily base but were ignored. Thats tells you a caliber off some ppl and company itself.

one more thing, departing basra genius manager wanted to give us $100 to get some food on the road....bear in mind we were at spot that have had food but we had to wait two hours for restoran to open...nop, he was told by another manager that we should rolle and fix a food problem down the road, hahahah....after few middle fingers into his face we stayed at restoran to eat . With some ppl you just have to go their way!!!


@ Fidelis - go professionally, bring your view to your better say PPO, as he should not be TL and ride in the same vehicle with you and be a PPO in the same time, if that don't brings something up, report it. Simple as that.

However your TL have had to be thought to work like that before you showed up so I believe problems are SOP's and approach to work multiply to all teams and ops you have on that gig.


Cp course can teach you things one way or another but if you took your gig seriously and approach to every mission 120% professionally you good to go ;)
 
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