Anyone not do the doors now...

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Kush

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...because things have become too violent for it to be worth it?

I was speaking with a taxi driver after my shift on Saturday night who said he did the doors for 6 years and gave it up after someone pulled a knife on him. Has now being doing the taxis for 2 years.

It's not the first time I've heard a story like this - does anyone think that this is the case?

Or do you think this generation now feel like they can get away with anything because they don't receive the "kick-in" that most would have for merely fighting in the 80s to early 90s...before the SIA were born basically

Is there such a thing as a quieter life? Your thoughts please
 
i know a few of the older guys, i suppose old school chaps you may say that did the doors when i was early 20's, so 17 odd years ago, that quit after the licensing laws came in. When the DS started being regulated by councils and the like most did do the license and carried on, but once SIA became involved they left. My god daughters dad ex mil, great guy, worked the doors in my home town for a good few years and was a good decent chap who was fair and didn't get into bother and the like, was telling me recently that some of the guys who hung on when SIA did come in hate what they do now, said the difference is more to do with the attitude of punters than anything else, and the new breed of DS. The respect has gone for doorstaff now. When i was 18 ok 16 and clubbing! Hell none of us would cross the doorstaff, you just didn't. Sure you got the odd meathead who had a go at the big guy on teh door but that was rare. People just DID respect what they stood for. Now well i guess every scrote worth his chavvy tracksuit knows that if the doorman gets into bother then he may loose his license, half the point is that these assholes know every inch of the law and they simply use it to their benefit. I have seen times change in my lifetime from respect to downright hatred and sensless violence. I don't drink in clubs anymore
 
I think your perception of the SIA is misguided they were put in place to filter out the knuckle draggers who gave people a "Kick -in" as you so eloquently phrased it ! They do a poor job granted.Like the CSA all good intentions but take the easy route.
I would rather stand on a door with a team of professional DS than drive the streets picking up the shit we have escorted out of the venue ^^.
Either your taxi driver is full of shit or a knuckle dragger !
Knives have always been a problem and so have glasses, bottles and what ever else the punter can pick up.
The taxi driver probably bottled it (excuse the pun) or never had the training to deal with the threats ??
A more educated DS should now be in place but the odd knuckle dragger always escapes the net.
Todays generation is probably no more violent than the Teddy Boys /Skinheads/Greasers/Mods/ Football hooligans or every other gang that roamed the streets years ago ! They did not have the media coverage that we have today and there was not as many of them as the population surveys will clarify.


NASH..
 
NASH,

I'm well aware of the SIA and their function. Hence, I put "kick-in" in quotes because even now we have knuckle trailers with a badge who look physically daunting, but I think the industry has been replaced with violence loving youth's who may not be able to handle the proverbial meeting a spinning object, without including the JFs
 
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although i have not done any ds work for sometime now (and the last time was pre sia) i feel in my experience of ds these days they are generally more skilled. since finishing in the ds world i have worked in other areas of security but what i have noticed about todays ds is that their intention is to spot the warning signs before it kicks off. this is a tough skill to learn and holders of it deserve to be treated as professionals. of course there will be occassions when some muppet pulls a blade or does something equally stupid without warning and the unfortuate truth is you just got to deal with it and stay safe.

im not sure that the issues the post is discussing is down to the introduction of the sia rather that it is down to fear. in the example of a blade being pulled this demonstraits the fear, he who fears violence will become violent. the sia do have their faults of course they do but have they made the streets more violent i dont think so. anybody who is looking for a regular scrap should maybe consider cage fighting or boxing as a job instead of working as a ds. fighting in the role of ds should only be a last resort and self defence.
 
Kush said:
...because things have become too violent for it to be worth it?

I was speaking with a taxi driver after my shift on Saturday night who said he did the doors for 6 years and gave it up after someone pulled a knife on him. Has now being doing the taxis for 2 years.

It's not the first time I've heard a story like this - does anyone think that this is the case?

Or do you think this generation now feel like they can get away with anything because they don't receive the "kick-in" that most would have for merely fighting in the 80s to early 90s...before the SIA were born basically

Is there such a thing as a quieter life? Your thoughts please
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i keep hearing more and more people are saying these things but i thing myself that if you have no balls you can go and look for work in the office or something. there is a risk that you can get hurt all the time even when you are crossing a street you can be hit by a car or when you are eating you can just choke while you are doing it so the same thing is when you do doors if you dont be carefull you will get hurt...
so it is not an excuse that these days are very violent you just need to look after your boys because you will be looked after by them.

god bless my man

ali
 
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I have yet to back down to anyone whther on a single man door or a mutli level venue.
I have yet to run from idiots who wield knives at the doors
I have always been the first in to the centre of a brawl
And I have yet to raise my hands to anyone.
I am neither afraid nor arrogant.
But to be stuck in a taxi!!!!!!!!!!
With p***ed up idiots sitting directly behind you or beside you!!
Taking them to their rabbit warren estates and streets where you can easily (if not focussed) be backed in to a cul de sac and attacked, robbed or worse.

Nah... that is not my idea of getting out because it is too violent.

Bubba
 
the sia was the worst thing that could have happend.they took a lot of guys off the doors who could handle wee tossers with blades because they had records for doing said act.now we have shirt fillers who are scared of there shaddows,they let people in who shouldnt because there push overs and thats how the violence starts.the only way to deal with drunken thugs with weapons is to gie them the back of the hand.iam sorry if i sound like your typical ds but you have to toughen up in this job boys.take care out there
 
Hi Kush,

I can see both sides of this. I have been doing the job for 14 years as DS, Manager and now again as Supervisor. The scotes all know the law or what they perceive as the law. On Saturday night I stepped in to provide secuirty for 2 female police officers twice in 30 minutes. Although there were 13 DS within the vivcnity at different doors I was the only one to see the situation, comes with experience. These days I spend most of my time baling out new guys who have their badge but do not realise how to do the job. For instance, last Friday night, one man door, the manager wants a guy out, tells him and shouts for the DS. He comes down the stairs, walks past the female manager struggling with the guy and asks if he should phone the police (I can't type my response when she phoned me)!!!

Basically DS are treated very poorly but you get a sense of a job well done when at the end of the night 400 people leave your bar saying thank you very much, shaking your hand and the odd kiss (from girls lol) knowing they have had a good night and been safe.

A bit of a ramble but there are still some decent DS out there through all the usless shirt fillers.

David

P.S. Kush, I see you work for the same company!
 
I used to do the doors for a spell in west scotland just before SIA came in here(2007/8)to top up my wages and the violence was always there from my first night as a scared 19 year old. I did however have awesome people with me who had seen it all before and assured me that some things never change. The scrotes of yesterday are the parents of the ones today and in Glasgow/Greenock the chances of getting stabbed on a weekend are probably the same wither your on the door or in the kebab shop with your mrs. I generally found as a 5ft 8 baby faced teenager whom every scrote wanted to fight at lights on time,the best way to avoid a black eye was to be firm but fair, always polite, never give them an inch, always stay switched on and above all have the skills/experience to protect yourself should anyone have a go. I have since done some work recently and was disappointed to find that when it kicked off it was often only myself there to deal with it whilst the others were "busy" dealing with something outside ie hiding up their arse. I have definately noticed the change in doormen, the ones who taught me from scratch on my first night were the same as squaddies on tour, always had your back and that gave you the balls to stand upto anybody, but the lads I've worked with post SIA have mostly been students with no self protection skills or relevant experience. Many of them out there are still excellent at their jobs and as mentioned spot the flare ups early, unfortunately I'd rather risk a tour of Afghan with good support from the lads than Sauchiehall Street on my own cheers. So to answer the OP it's not the violence that puts me off it's the loss of some of the teamwork ethic.(Edited to add:on the single man jobs, in the past if I had to put someone out and they were barred, the threat of come backs were always presented but rarely acted on(only once did anybody ever go for it and i went out and bought a small calibre vest for my shifts afterwards) but now I've known blokes to lose their doors and get moved on after each incident as the managers are too frightened to risk their windows on it. How can you do the job effectively if the people behind you will always undermind your word. Everyone has been in the sh** manager situation I'm sure.
 
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I,m still researching the prospect of getting back into Security and door work. I was just wondering, what peoples veiws are about wearing glasses or would contact lenses be better?, sounds stupid, but I wear glasses and was'nt sure if they would be okay to wear, i.e. saftey and all?

Regards

Pigeon:)
 
I think there was a thread of a door supervisor asking the same question Pigeon. I think the outcome was contact lenses as if glasses fall off in a struggle and they break its your loss.
 
DavidC212 said:
For instance, last Friday night, one man door, the manager wants a guy out, tells him and shouts for the DS. He comes down the stairs, walks past the female manager struggling with the guy and asks if he should phone the police (I can't type my response when she phoned me)!!!
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WTF!?!? Surely that should have just been common sense more than anything!!! Drag him out!!!
 
pigeon said:
I,m still researching the prospect of getting back into Security and door work. I was just wondering, what peoples veiws are about wearing glasses or would contact lenses be better?, sounds stupid, but I wear glasses and was'nt sure if they would be okay to wear, i.e. saftey and all?

Regards

Pigeon:)
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Hi Pig
Im West Mids and i wear contacts much better than glasses

Tig
 
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