Do Females get a rough ride

You are absolutely right elsiejay with all that you say regarding raising the bar and exacting higher standards within the industry, and not just amongst the females. The general standard of operatives across the genders in recent years has taken a nosedive, and to a degree I do place some of the blame at the doors of the SIA, but that opens up a whole new thread of conversation..! However, as you have stated, females in the industry “are not starting on a level playing field and have to work hard just to get tot the same startig point as the guys”, so therefore our standards have to be exemplarily to be regarded, and sadly those standards amongst females are in so many cases not even acceptable. Life is not a level playing field, and everyone has to overcome difficulties and obstacles to achieve their goals (after all, if it was THAT level the Olympics would be VERY boring..!), but that does not mean that standards, values, honour and decency has to be compromised.

You also comment “God help them if they are also being attacked by the other females on the team” – as I have said, I have been slandered and libelled, exclusively by females. In that situation they are fools to themselves that only adds to the lack of credibility that some males, and females, look upon us with.

I do find that your sweeping statement “All I can say Jj is not many women will want to work with you after such a vicous nd vitriolic attack” quite breathtaking. Please ensure that you speak for yourself and not for those ladies who have done, who do, and who have said that they wish to work with and for me in the future. One of your operatives has worked for me very recently, and she was very professional, extremely competent, and someone who is on my list of someone I would call upon again in the future. As I said – and I repeat again – “GENERALLY (note – GENERALLY) women are the most difficult to work with”.
 
I have to agree with you. Women are more emotional and not task orientated. the mission is the goal and maybe women cant focus enough to complete the tasks for the mission. Men do tend to brush off constructive critism better. We still need women in this field though. Maybe better training or hiring the right person to begin with, saves operational costs? to be a good leader, you have to look at the over all picture, not just want the individual wants. Thank you for sharing.
 
LaRoseel said:
I have to agree with you. Women are more emotional and not task orientated. the mission is the goal and maybe women cant focus enough to complete the tasks for the mission. Men do tend to brush off constructive critism better. We still need women in this field though. Maybe better training or hiring the right person to begin with, saves operational costs? to be a good leader, you have to look at the over all picture, not just want the individual wants. Thank you for sharing.
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hey dude if you want an operator task orientated JJ is one of the best operators i know, along side another lass who is mission orientated dont let the lack of a tally wacker and the two top apendages cloud yer vision, i know these operators professionaly and would employ them over a lot of blokes,
we have all had bad experiences, colour, sex, or age it dosnt matter if they have the ability and have proved on occassion keep and use them to there strengths, or does it come down to the fact that one want to get rid of some bodily fluids and gets blown out!!!!! then stories start and and bad feelings arise? then professional etiquette is out the window, i know guys whos judgement has been clouded because they fell in love with a thing of the internet? i know country managers that have tried to impregnate his employees? so whats the beef? None as far as i can see?

Brummie
 
how do you figure women arnt task oreinated... i just spent 3 days leading a team of 5 doing 15 hour days for 3 days out of this only the two woemn stayed on the job and could hack the long hours, the guys left saying the work was boring ad the days to long, so saying women cant focus enough to complete a task is complete bulls**t. i have never yet failed to stay the course and complete the job, i dont think this is a board where we are trying to attack female operatives merery point out that there seems to be few out there who having worked with both good and bad are up to the job. Elsiejay i have also just come of a long job with one of your ops and we both work the same way, do the job well and take no crap, this is the same when working with/for JJ. how do we raise the bar when the industry is churning out females with licences who i would nt employ as static security let alone as cp operatives, again this doesnt go for all, but at the mo this seems to be the case, my phone is full of good female operatives and i hope this keeps growing, maybe the reason FBG is struggling to find good females is because all the good ones are already in work. we females need to stick together and keep ourselves on the circuit whilst hunting out the new good operatives and giving them a chance. my first cp job was 12 hours rst for 2 weeks staring at walls... we all start somewhere, but if given this chance dont turn it down .. it may just lead to bigger and better things!!!
 
I think that in many cases some training companies give women trainees the opinion that they wil simply walk into a job, because there is less women in the role. Therefore they part with their money and take a course when they possibly aren't a suitable candidate to actually DO the job. Which of course then does have a knock on effect in the industry when they do get employed and as mentioned turn out to be less than suitable. As long as this continues with promises of a 'sure thing' for work to women, those less capable will infiltrate teams, do a poor job, and subsequently give women in general a bad reputation.

After all once some men have had one bad experience with a female they are often rather disinclined rto work with any others. Which for those such as 'fbg' and others who have been in the industry quite succesfully for many years must be very frustrating indeed, as they have been the women who led the way for all the rest of us women.

That said everyone has to start somewhere, men aswell, and yes we may not get it totally right when we actually get out there in the real world first time, but by learning from our mistakes and bettering ourselves from there, we can uphold the fine example set by those who have gone before us.
 
I thought it was part of the CP process to prove that you are capable of doing the job not just passing a course, and not just because you are female.

I Dont see why people have the need to feel sorry for them selves just because they are female...
 
I don't think the thread is about females feeling sorry for themselves, it is merley a question about wether women in the industry feel they need to prove themselves. Yes in a manner everyone needs to prove themselves in some way or another, in any walk of life or any job, but the general question i believe was wether women in our industry feel they are made to prove themselves more, and possibly the answer is yes.

Nobody is crying that it is unfair, when you enter a male dominated area of work in any sector, as a woman you do feel possibly more yourself that you need to prove yourself, more than men making you feel that you need to. Many women simply feel the need to be as good or better than men where a male dominated industry is concerned and thats all well and good, but realistically women are possibly making more of a rod for their own backs by feeling a personal need to show we can do a certain job.

Men and women have completley diffrent areas that we are good at, and we as women should realise that as much as we may want to be up there with the big guys, taking their jobs, doing what they do, well reality check here, guess what we aren't the same and we can't all do it..... i bow to the exceptions to the rule, as there are some, but in general NO women can't do a man's job, and i am glad that we can't as i like being a woman, looking like a woman and being diffrent to men. We may strive to be good within the industry but that does not mean we have to be huge and manly, we are women and should be proud to be women.

But for the most i don't see women on here moaning that we are unfairly treated, after all we are in the minority, there are many jobs for women and for the most part not enough good women to undertake the roles available.

Like it or not we actually have an advantage, so instead of asking 'do we have to prove ourselves?' think.... wow how lucky am i, i don't have to compete with nearly as many women for a job as the guys do. They may be bigger than us, they may have certain attributes that we don't but we have attributes of our own that are in demand, so ask instead........ 'what can we offer that guys can't?'
 
I dont think the thread has been blown out of proportion women in the role are just as good if not better. i say that whole heartedly as my business partner is a female and i trust her judgment as much as i would trust a team mate.
There is a shortage of females in the industry nd as regards women being bitchy towards others!!!! well so can men! with regards what regiment they are from so nothing new.

Men,Women, Race or just is it jelousy? look we are a select group of people who are selected by word of mouth and we know what we are about and apart from bitching and dripping about she is a man or he is a woman!!! (I know what i said there) we all have a place. so why are we asking the question? there is no need to debate it.

there is no substitute for integraty and professionalism so if think its a problem i really think its the ones who shout the loudest have the problem?

Brummie
 
Female Perpsective

It is my opinion that females can sometimes be their own worst enemy and no matter which way you look at it, it was a male dominated industry before us girlies came along. However that aside, providing you accept that there are no special priveleges for women. You do the same courses as the guys, therefore the same standards apply and the same professional attitude to the job must apply. You cannot blame the time of the month, it doesnt work take tablets.:D
 
To all you great female operators out there i thank you for making this male dominated arena a better place.It is very nice to bump in to you all through out the world,and yes there are some very good ones out there.The problem now days is there is too many hormones running around with guns..lol . Just on one note has any female CPO ever thought to set up a female only protection company????,for female clients and child stars,as i feel as a male CPO, ladys fit in better in this area of work world wide. remember stand firm trust in yourself and remember you are better than the next one because most of us men do........good luck to you all.
 
female cp company

There has been a number of company's started to provide female cp's including my own - ELLE ( ence he name). There are only female directos in the company, but it soon poved difficult to operate as female only teams. Many of the decision makers are still male and not many willaccept all female teams run by a feamle team.

There may be others who have succeeded, ut I don't know of any
 
Hi elsie
How are you mate, good t have a chat and swing the lamp at the CPO "Do".
But with reference this thread, why is it even being debated? it dont matter what sex you are does it?
I think the only ones making it a talking point feel threatened by the gals, must feel threatened by guys coming back from the pit, is this because they are lacking the minerals to add the HECPO string to their CP Bow? and wanna keep comfy work for themselves?mmm food for thought.
or is it because the person shouting the loudest about it has somthing to fear from the Gals??? cus the ones i worked with are GOOD.
Me !!!!! as long as the person doing the job can do it im happy, without the usual winges!! ie: im a BG not RST.

May i just add to those working in the city who are not licenced, you are taking the food from those who conciously pay there hard earned money to be so. and!!! its illegal.

Hey like a good friends says! if your quality operater, Guy or Gal you get the job!

Brummie
 
Quote "But with reference this thread, why is it even being debated? it dont matter what sex you are does it?"

Quite simply no it shouldn't do.

Regards

T
 
Don't get me started on the licence. I know at present that a very well know public figure in London is looked afer by a daytime team of 2 door supervisors (and not ones who have done cp) and night 2 x gorillas who are totally unlicenced. Oh - and I know there is a serious threat involved.

I know because they decided they wanted to go legit, I did the quote together with recommendations and they decided to stick with the present arrangement.
 
Hmmm It seems to me a case of round pegs in round holes wimmen are great! Without them none of us would be having this debate! I for one think there should be more wimmen in this industry! it was a nightmare trying to get a good cup of tea before wimmen came onto the circuit ! (unless you make it yourself). A nice cuppa tea can diffuse most potentially hostile situations so having a a few good wimmen on the team can be a godsend! If you think back to the bad old days of excessive drinking, excessive testosterone and big mirrors (so you could check out how hard you looked with your hockler and shades) They were stressful times! Then along came wimmen! Block 30 started to sparkle!! and life became very chilled. How many of us bombed up an extra 5 or 6 rounds to put the odd shot into the fit birds lane, to give em a lift up in the industry? I have known some excellent wimmen! me mum me gran to name but a few! Im sure JJ is a top bird I noticed a certain sparkle in her eye at the UJC last month! Im sure she is excellent at making the tea with all that experience behind her! Brummie you have a diamond there! Dont let her go!! Good wimmen like good trained dogs are hard to find. Note I refer to them in the friendly term of wimmin! I do this as once I mistyped women and left off the W !!!
I find wimmen are fairly vocal in expressing their feelings One addressed me last night on the subject of covert video recording she said "Oi you in the Bushes!" And made her way towards me, I knew she was coming towards me as she was getting bigger! Anyway I digress but wimmen are a necessity and not necessarily evil ! Im sure they will be very supportive of me outlook and none of the wimmen moderators will delete my post ;-)
 
Womanwheresmytea said:
Hmmm It seems to me a case of round pegs in round holes wimmen are great! Without them none of us would be having this debate! I for one think there should be more wimmen in this industry! it was a nightmare trying to get a good cup of tea before wimmen came onto the circuit ! (unless you make it yourself). A nice cuppa tea can diffuse most potentially hostile situations so having a a few good wimmen on the team can be a godsend! If you think back to the bad old days of excessive drinking, excessive testosterone and big mirrors (so you could check out how hard you looked with your hockler and shades) They were stressful times! Then along came wimmen! Block 30 started to sparkle!! and life became very chilled. How many of us bombed up an extra 5 or 6 rounds to put the odd shot into the fit birds lane, to give em a lift up in the industry? I have known some excellent wimmen! me mum me gran to name but a few! Im sure JJ is a top bird I noticed a certain sparkle in her eye at the UJC last month! Im sure she is excellent at making the tea with all that experience behind her! Brummie you have a diamond there! Dont let her go!! Good wimmen like good trained dogs are hard to find. Note I refer to them in the friendly term of wimmin! I do this as once I mistyped women and left off the W !!!
I find wimmen are fairly vocal in expressing their feelings One addressed me last night on the subject of covert video recording she said "Oi you in the Bushes!" And made her way towards me, I knew she was coming towards me as she was getting bigger! Anyway I digress but wimmen are a necessity and not necessarily evil ! Im sure they will be very supportive of me outlook and none of the wimmen moderators will delete my post ;-)
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Mmmm men are also like dogs, very hard to find a decent one, when in training they piddle everywhere... and yet they still manage to have the occasional accident once trained ;)
 
and benefit from a good beating now and again as well... cheeky devil! Bet he'd not ask JJ to make the tea to her face
 
No you would sent an email down to the kitchen surely :) Anyway from what I heard it's brummie that makes the best cuppa!
 
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