does anyone know if this is the law ??

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caz

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Holding a night in manchester on boxing night, all the d/s i have are badged, but the police are telling me i need to use a company ?? first time i have heard this ? dont understand why i need to use a company ???
 
Are they being paid by the venue, as self-employed or employed?
As far as I know, and I'm not an employer, there is no law saying you must go through a company, but there may be tax/ NI issues if you don't. Also there needs to be public liability insurance somewhere to cover your actions. Possibly its covered by the venue's insurance, but it may not be. Its also possible that the local licensing rules stipulate a company needs to be used.
Ask the police what exactly says you need to have a company.



I should add to that, if they are being employed in a licensed venue, whoever employs them also needs an SIA licence. If its a company or the venue that includes all directors of the company and any management that actually manage the DS.
 
Never heard of that before, unless It's in the conditions of the venues liquor licence as a condition set by the police.
 
One town I used to work. Depending which company were in favour, if venues didn't use them they had an extremely hard time getting licenses, keeping the police happy.

The police like to know who they're dealing with and if it can be a company they're happy with.........
 
as scab said, a company is not NEEDED.

I have heard it rumoured that it was considered that all venues must use a company as a new policy, however I am not aware this was implemented.

Reasons behind them thinking this is quite simply a security company (supposedly) knows about security whilst a GM at a venue doesnt really. A security firm has more specific policies and insurance appropriate for SIA.
Also it is against the PSI act that you can employ persons without having the appropriate SIA yourself.

Place I worked in central london was in house, but the GM had to have an SIA DS because he is in charge, and he is paying them.


Anyway,
all in all, it is (as far as I am aware) not a requirement (yet, if ever it will be) for you to use a company.
 
Policy - who's policy? Is it backed up with legislation? If not, licensing departments wishes be damned. They cannot dictate how a venue gets its DS. If they are concerned for not being able to man the door on an in house venue all the venue would need to do is demonstrate an ability to get it covered - by a subcontractor or company. Job done.
 
Scab licensing officers have been removed from position In Manchester for not allowing doormen to work in the city. This happens a lot, i was "not allowed to work" in a town by licensing even though I had an sia license and had no charges brought against me. Venues will do whatever it takes to keep licensing happy As they have control of you opening and your earning potential.
So you open with an in house team, licensing turn up, shut you down for what ever reason, you loose whatever would have been made on the night. Complain? For it to go to the IPC you have to complain to the relevant force. Now your looking at weeks if not months of bullsh1t, still not kept you open boxing night. Is it worth it right or wrong?
 
There's a lot of places where licensing have insisted that all DS wear hi-vis. Not sure exactly what powers they have but they seem to be able to stipulate what they like.
 
yes Scab i know. However i believe the grey area which was been looked into was the whole does the GM have an SIA. As the PSIA says - to employ SIA staff the director/whatever needs an SIA themselves. Maybe the GM at the boxing doesnt have an SIA so therefor cannot employ staff direct as SIA
 
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