Paris
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deltasierra70
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we've been busy! All of us!
Not a lot that one can say. But I'll try.
Having in mind that I am getting my info from "The American Perspective" which is slanted to a mix of "We'd have had that shit under control in 5 minutes..." to "Thank God that shit wouldn't have happened here!" to "Europe (You-Rope) is in the toilet..." Reminding them that it has and does happen here, and fairly frequently, got a snigger. "Nah, not like that 'Frogy' shit we don't." Both stated they'd have 'nailed' him in seconds. I reminded them that I had seen them using a handgun in broad daylight, and had at that time I had shouted "Fix Bayonets and CHARGE!" With a center fire rifle, and waiting in a 'hide' for a deer to come within 25 feet, not bad, but with a handgun? No. They were also puzzled that no one in the crowd had been carrying.
End of discussion. Time to sell up and go home, even if chemist shops don't stock handguns, and you can't buy center fire rifles and ammo in supermarkets.
Not a lot that one can say. But I'll try.
Having in mind that I am getting my info from "The American Perspective" which is slanted to a mix of "We'd have had that shit under control in 5 minutes..." to "Thank God that shit wouldn't have happened here!" to "Europe (You-Rope) is in the toilet..." Reminding them that it has and does happen here, and fairly frequently, got a snigger. "Nah, not like that 'Frogy' shit we don't." Both stated they'd have 'nailed' him in seconds. I reminded them that I had seen them using a handgun in broad daylight, and had at that time I had shouted "Fix Bayonets and CHARGE!" With a center fire rifle, and waiting in a 'hide' for a deer to come within 25 feet, not bad, but with a handgun? No. They were also puzzled that no one in the crowd had been carrying.
End of discussion. Time to sell up and go home, even if chemist shops don't stock handguns, and you can't buy center fire rifles and ammo in supermarkets.
Customloads
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I was shocked that there was seemingly no chatter or other intelligence to warn of such a coordinated attack, but it now seems like the German and French Police and Security Services failed to join the dots.
The defiance shown (quite rightly) after Charlie Hebdo was bound to light Paris up as a target again.
My sympathies go out to the victims families and the wounded.
The defiance shown (quite rightly) after Charlie Hebdo was bound to light Paris up as a target again.
My sympathies go out to the victims families and the wounded.
deltasierra70
Longterm Registered User
And would that be a good thing to have happen?
Maybe we have been away too long to understand...
Maybe we should stay here, and not come back as we are currently planning...
Ops1,
Sorry but bollocks!
UKIP would have done what exactly?
Closed our borders and put troops on the streets because of an attack on foreign soil..... FFS your joking right?
It is time that the civilised world said enough is enough and removed the threat by eliminating them by deadly force.
Regards
premier
Condolences to the victims.
No surprise that there was a Syrian "Refugee" involved. I'm sure there's more to come. At least we got Jihadi John. The French president got a reality check. Seems he want's to handle things in a decidely right wing, republican, UKIP style offensive. It must be a foreign thought to his socialist rainbows and Unicorns mindset. His new mantra is....no mercy. God I love to see the little light go on in the liberal's heads.
Here's hoping he does the job full stop to avenge his countrymen.
No surprise that there was a Syrian "Refugee" involved. I'm sure there's more to come. At least we got Jihadi John. The French president got a reality check. Seems he want's to handle things in a decidely right wing, republican, UKIP style offensive. It must be a foreign thought to his socialist rainbows and Unicorns mindset. His new mantra is....no mercy. God I love to see the little light go on in the liberal's heads.
Here's hoping he does the job full stop to avenge his countrymen.
littlewoman
Longterm Registered User
It has been reported that a security guard at the stadium found the first suicide vest, it seems the bomber then tried to get away from security and all three detonated their bombs, presumably because they realised they weren't going to get inside.
Would we be so lucky here? Considering our security industry is mostly on low wages and long hours? Considering the poor vetting of many staff? I have worked at various bits of our "Critical National Infrastructure" and at many events. In many cases the procedures are dire and full of loop holes. Many of the staff I have worked with work on the basis of "It'll never happen here", not just a terrorist attack but anything. The sussed out ones are in the minority.
I've turned up to take over from the night shift, only to find he has gone on his patrol yet left the front door of the building open for the cleaners to get in, and he's patrolling whilst on the phone to his wife. Or on other occasions he's gone to the loo and left the keys on the desk. At another place I jumped up and down in front of the single camera in hi-vis without the person noticing because his laptop was in front of the monitor whilst he watched a video.
As for the procedures they seem more about making a show of security than actual security. Places that search vehicles but not when it's raining, or search vehicles except the company's own vans that go in and out all the time. Searches on people that don't search anywhere "sensitive", pretty much not searching the area that would be covered by a T-shirt and shorts. Events where I've turned up and said I work for the security company and I've been let in without any checks and could have gone anywhere, then no-one checking my licence actually matches my face, just write your name and number on the time sheet. Then finding colleagues that don't speak English so obviously weren't the person that sat the exam.
Basically the standard of security at places where it really matters is dire and it wouldn't take much to compromise it. It will only be a matter of time before a Paris/ Mumbai type attack takes place here. Their targets and tactics may be different, they might hit festivals or power stations. It probably isn't imminent, but they will want another big attack in Britain.
As for closing the borders, we have nearly 20,000 miles of coastline. How on earth is anyone going to keep that secure? The Mumbai attackers did not come through passport control, they came on a freight boat. It would be incredibly easy to land a small boat on a beach and get men and arms into the country from there.
Would we be so lucky here? Considering our security industry is mostly on low wages and long hours? Considering the poor vetting of many staff? I have worked at various bits of our "Critical National Infrastructure" and at many events. In many cases the procedures are dire and full of loop holes. Many of the staff I have worked with work on the basis of "It'll never happen here", not just a terrorist attack but anything. The sussed out ones are in the minority.
I've turned up to take over from the night shift, only to find he has gone on his patrol yet left the front door of the building open for the cleaners to get in, and he's patrolling whilst on the phone to his wife. Or on other occasions he's gone to the loo and left the keys on the desk. At another place I jumped up and down in front of the single camera in hi-vis without the person noticing because his laptop was in front of the monitor whilst he watched a video.
As for the procedures they seem more about making a show of security than actual security. Places that search vehicles but not when it's raining, or search vehicles except the company's own vans that go in and out all the time. Searches on people that don't search anywhere "sensitive", pretty much not searching the area that would be covered by a T-shirt and shorts. Events where I've turned up and said I work for the security company and I've been let in without any checks and could have gone anywhere, then no-one checking my licence actually matches my face, just write your name and number on the time sheet. Then finding colleagues that don't speak English so obviously weren't the person that sat the exam.
Basically the standard of security at places where it really matters is dire and it wouldn't take much to compromise it. It will only be a matter of time before a Paris/ Mumbai type attack takes place here. Their targets and tactics may be different, they might hit festivals or power stations. It probably isn't imminent, but they will want another big attack in Britain.
As for closing the borders, we have nearly 20,000 miles of coastline. How on earth is anyone going to keep that secure? The Mumbai attackers did not come through passport control, they came on a freight boat. It would be incredibly easy to land a small boat on a beach and get men and arms into the country from there.
KingLeonidas
Longterm Registered User
apparently it was well planned. this was not just a bunch of refugees from Syria who happened to show up.
I hope they get the ringleaders.
KL
I hope they get the ringleaders.
KL
Wouldn't Invoking article 5 will compel the rest of NATO to intervene, but the US will still need congress to approve (I could very well be wrong here) and will highlight the fact that up until it is invoked, that the US actions so far have been illegal as it has been there without prior approval from congress?
Heno
Our POS prez is taking the muzzies side still. He's still going to allow 10k more refugees into the country despite all his advisers telling him not to. Everything he does is contrary to national security and it's glaringly apparent that my suspicions of him from the beginning is that he IS muslim and he HAS infiltrated the US from within and that he is slowly destroying this country. Obummer's not going to do much to help France out and destroy his terrorist friends IMO.
To date, 18 state's governors are refusing to allow refugees into their state. Florida included...yayyy! Obummer will try to blackmail those governors by cutting federal funding somewhere but I don't see too many governors folding hopefully.
To date, 18 state's governors are refusing to allow refugees into their state. Florida included...yayyy! Obummer will try to blackmail those governors by cutting federal funding somewhere but I don't see too many governors folding hopefully.
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deltasierra70
Longterm Registered User
According to my Saudi agent (a minor relative of the King (aren't they all?)) it can only get better when the US military and non Muslim workers are never within 20 miles of any of the "Holy Places" and the only non Saudi women are nurses. To be 100% OK, there will not be any non Muslims in Saudi at all. There is an unlimited number of Pakistani's to do manual labour, and for Indians to be doctors and technicians. Anything else, they can buy, including people.
Apparently not!
It seems the House of Saud is running out of cash and burning through foreign reserves like nobodies business!
National debt is rising and oil prices are unlikely to recover to previous highs for a number of years.
The family silver (Lambos) could be for sale in the near future.....
It seems the House of Saud is running out of cash and burning through foreign reserves like nobodies business!
National debt is rising and oil prices are unlikely to recover to previous highs for a number of years.
The family silver (Lambos) could be for sale in the near future.....
That's my point exactly. The only MP to make his opinions known is UKIP leader. NOT one of Tory, Labour or Lib Dems have said anything that stirs people. I agree with you, enough is enough, we can all say that until we are blue in the face, but UKIP seem to be strong enough to do SOMETHING rather than just say, ''oh dear, that's terrible, enough is enough''