Police Close Protection v Military Close Protection
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Block 30 Janitor
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Bo##ocks posted that twice!!!
One of the reasons for RMP getting the British Military CP role is the ability to communicate and interact with others of all ranks whether civilian or military. Also as the majority of CP teams many years ago were from policing backgrounds it assisted with liasion and all teams having something in common. And RMP must be doing something right as they still have that role today.
Horses for courses.
What I will say is - and this only from my experience with the 2 ex Met I've had the pleasure of. What the ex-mil takes as the norm.... ie being 'shot at' (Hostile Environments) the Police guys treat as an 'event' - and seemed to 'affect' them. Different people, trained and operating in a very different environment with a different threat....
Can you really compare the two?
What I will say is - and this only from my experience with the 2 ex Met I've had the pleasure of. What the ex-mil takes as the norm.... ie being 'shot at' (Hostile Environments) the Police guys treat as an 'event' - and seemed to 'affect' them. Different people, trained and operating in a very different environment with a different threat....
Can you really compare the two?
eddyedwards41
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Some years ago after having sat in an OP witch was a ditch for over 24hrs we extracted on to a near by lane to make our way to a pup. At the end of the lane was a car which we had observed for some 8 hrs in the said vehicle was 3 royal protection bods. After only conversing with them for about 5mins that they were very up tight individuals and I believe they thought tat they sat on some higher level of existence than me and my 3 compadraes.
On the other hand when I was out in the Lebanon the RMP CP team covering the consulate were very laid back lads considering the tempo they had to work in. when ever they went out of the city we worked with them to inherence their protection capability.
And I must say they were very professional. But we did have a good crack with them.
On the other hand when I was out in the Lebanon the RMP CP team covering the consulate were very laid back lads considering the tempo they had to work in. when ever they went out of the city we worked with them to inherence their protection capability.
And I must say they were very professional. But we did have a good crack with them.
frankfarmer
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Saps-za, I challenge your statement (listed some time ago!) about military guys not being able to converse with the principle; I have recently retired from the military and spent the best part of 18-years working within the close protection fraternity. I was always able to ‘speak’ to my principle - so much so, that I frequently meet up with them for lunch, dinner or just afternoon tea. We continue to speak on a regular basis.
The issue here mate is that we can’t ‘tar’ everyone with the same brush and I have met many within the military who do struggle to converse on the same level as the principle, however my old mob used the maxim of not speaking unless spoken too. Alto often an inexperienced IBG would try to initiate conversation because they lived in fear of silence.
My second comment is for Hippo (a close friend). I was in conversation the other night with a chap in the know about a 3 star challenging the reasons why the redcaps provided CP within a war fighting environment. The argument is that RMP do not have the necessary tactical awareness to survive during high intensity warfare. This is something that DMO will need to adjudicate and issue the necessary direction. Service Police CP to battle-field military commanders might be on borrowed time; Service Police CP to the FCO shouldn’t be effected (we hope).
General comment: The regular reference to Iraq/Afghanistan within this thread leads me to think that we might be talking about two different types of protection. Remember, the CPO should be considered as the last line of defence. The reasons that many of the PPOs from SO1 do not deploy to war zones (above the concerns of their families) is because they [routinely] do not have the necessary skills to contribute to the defence of their principle. Again, some do, however those that choose not to deploy may be displaying the ultimate signs of professionalism. Know your limits, understand your capabilities and seek support when you identify a gap in your ability to secure the person at risk.
Food for thought; I’m climbing off my soap box now.
I laughed when I read the username, ‘Block 30 Janitor’. Well done - extremely original and something that will resonate with all Longmoor Veterans…
The issue here mate is that we can’t ‘tar’ everyone with the same brush and I have met many within the military who do struggle to converse on the same level as the principle, however my old mob used the maxim of not speaking unless spoken too. Alto often an inexperienced IBG would try to initiate conversation because they lived in fear of silence.
My second comment is for Hippo (a close friend). I was in conversation the other night with a chap in the know about a 3 star challenging the reasons why the redcaps provided CP within a war fighting environment. The argument is that RMP do not have the necessary tactical awareness to survive during high intensity warfare. This is something that DMO will need to adjudicate and issue the necessary direction. Service Police CP to battle-field military commanders might be on borrowed time; Service Police CP to the FCO shouldn’t be effected (we hope).
General comment: The regular reference to Iraq/Afghanistan within this thread leads me to think that we might be talking about two different types of protection. Remember, the CPO should be considered as the last line of defence. The reasons that many of the PPOs from SO1 do not deploy to war zones (above the concerns of their families) is because they [routinely] do not have the necessary skills to contribute to the defence of their principle. Again, some do, however those that choose not to deploy may be displaying the ultimate signs of professionalism. Know your limits, understand your capabilities and seek support when you identify a gap in your ability to secure the person at risk.
Food for thought; I’m climbing off my soap box now.
I laughed when I read the username, ‘Block 30 Janitor’. Well done - extremely original and something that will resonate with all Longmoor Veterans…
The first question the SO.1 guys ask is who else is going, if the other people are knobs then they say no, also there is a debate in the dept about pay in the future which means it will loose the guys money, if thats the case you won't be getting many of them doing it. Watch this space. Also famillies come into the equasion, police wives are not as used to this type of thing compared with military wives.
mally1
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I am afraid I do not have much time for internet these days so have only just seen this thread.
I myself am ex-RMP and was fortunate enough to complete a CP course and deploy in support of FCO. Whilst not having served with any civ pol CP I would guess that these guys are a cut above the usual (UK politicians are not known for skimping on their perks and services!).
Now what suprises me how a lot of you think that a person's training will instantly defie how they react or the standards they hold. My experience Mil and Civ has led me to the following conclusions.
1: People as individuals can be knobs or great guys
2: Organisations train for purpose (Mil high threat Civ Lower threat higher scrutiny)
3: Infantry does not mean good soldier (trust me have worked with quite a few units). Some of the worst and some of the best were Paras and Marines.
4: The best unit I got to work with (and this was an honour) were.......the Staffords. Every man that I met in that unit knew that he stood/fell as a team, by fuck it showed. Every drill spot on, kit maintained, ethos of Company, Platoon, Section, Self. Easily the most together people I worked around.
5. Quite a few RMP have excellent soldering skills (admitted some don't, be honest though we all know a crap performer or two in our teams.
6. RMP are SME at Mil CP for a reason. They provide a quality product. End of, no exception.
7. All (and I mean all) the good infantry I have met with say they would like the CP role. I really believe they would despise it! Don't get pissed, don't get angry, watch everything you say, keep your head down, don't look lazy and so on, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway just my thoughts.
Doc
I myself am ex-RMP and was fortunate enough to complete a CP course and deploy in support of FCO. Whilst not having served with any civ pol CP I would guess that these guys are a cut above the usual (UK politicians are not known for skimping on their perks and services!).
Now what suprises me how a lot of you think that a person's training will instantly defie how they react or the standards they hold. My experience Mil and Civ has led me to the following conclusions.
1: People as individuals can be knobs or great guys
2: Organisations train for purpose (Mil high threat Civ Lower threat higher scrutiny)
3: Infantry does not mean good soldier (trust me have worked with quite a few units). Some of the worst and some of the best were Paras and Marines.
4: The best unit I got to work with (and this was an honour) were.......the Staffords. Every man that I met in that unit knew that he stood/fell as a team, by fuck it showed. Every drill spot on, kit maintained, ethos of Company, Platoon, Section, Self. Easily the most together people I worked around.
5. Quite a few RMP have excellent soldering skills (admitted some don't, be honest though we all know a crap performer or two in our teams.
6. RMP are SME at Mil CP for a reason. They provide a quality product. End of, no exception.
7. All (and I mean all) the good infantry I have met with say they would like the CP role. I really believe they would despise it! Don't get pissed, don't get angry, watch everything you say, keep your head down, don't look lazy and so on, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway just my thoughts.
Doc
I Think That It Is The Person That You Work With, Not The Organisation They Are Trained With (within Reason) That Counts. I Have Worked With Royal Protection, Sas, Sbs & (obviously Rmp). They Have Pricks In Every Organisation, You Just Have To Take Every Bloke On His/ Her Own Merits. No Matter How Good The Training Provider Is, There Is Always The Chance That A Stroker Will Get Through The System. Trust Your Own Judgement!!
jimhenderson2303
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The RMP course does include planning for all ranks (when I did it anyway)! However it worthy of a note that its a basic course to see if a guy is ready for the role. They then conduct pre- deployment training. I can't comment on the old bill training for PPO's (and wouldn't unless I'd done both to compare). There is a reason why they are both high recognised is because they are both very professionally run. Unlike a lot of civvy courses - which are just grabbing money off guys who think they will get rich on the circuit.......
Just my thoughts on it!
Just my thoughts on it!
Having served 18 years in Uk Civvi police (10 years Armed and CP) I would agree with many posts that the two are different yet complement each other. We cannot deny that the current tempo of British Army deployments has allowed a huge wave of hostile environment experience, but that must not be allowed to cloud the issue of planning and suitable appropriate team and responses for CP work. eg dont use sledgehammers for tin-tacks.
If deploying eg Helmand you might want a large overt CP team with plenty of weaponry and experience, but if escorting a principle in the EU / London those tactics and experience are redundant.
If deploying eg Helmand you might want a large overt CP team with plenty of weaponry and experience, but if escorting a principle in the EU / London those tactics and experience are redundant.
Hi mate you seem to know what you are on about ! It makes a change !
Im Welchy ex RMP CP currently still waiting fpor dates to start work ! didnt think it would take tis long as i have shit loads of experience ie 20 years CP !
Take care ! Welchy!
diplomatic1
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there is varying diffrences between military/Police as mentioned the different fields of arena, make up of a team who either have experience of both military/civillian side of the CP world. I have worked alongside both and there is not alot in it sometimes other than kit and SOPs
