All what I can say is....I liiiiiiiiike this rifle!!!!!
Steyr AUG A3 SA/USA Bullpup Demo (4min) - YouTube
Steyr AUG A3 SA/USA Bullpup Demo (4min) - YouTube
SteyrAUG A3 SA
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Customloads
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Only about 350 quid less than a Bush/Rem ACR, I think I would save up for the latter. 
Stevie1111616
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Good weapon, anything is better than the G36.
HK416 or the SiG 502 (or 512? 5.56mm version) are good kit.
(Stirs deep, with big spoon) Can't beat the SLR, though. ;-)
HK416 or the SiG 502 (or 512? 5.56mm version) are good kit.
(Stirs deep, with big spoon) Can't beat the SLR, though. ;-)
Customloads
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What don't you like about the G36 then Stevie(numerous11111's) Here at Euro-tactical we have the French Prison Tactical Intervention Team train with us (our local one that is), they have moved over to G36 & G36c, played with them last week (the weapons that is!), didn't like the cocking handle position that much though. Apart from that (sure I could get used to it), I thought it was a great piece of kit. Repetition (single shot), 3 round burst, fully auto, what's not to like?!! The 36c a Bit dodgy without a fore-grip, being so short (in my opinion) although we tested them with a suppressor therefore increasing the muzzle length a little. Found it very easy to handle and fire, trigger good too. There were a couple of guys on our course that week that had the bonus of firing the G36, courtesy of our French colleagues, big smiles!!!
I have to say that I like the look of this Steyr, wonder if it will be on display at MILIPOL Paris this year? Might get to fondle it if it is!
Regards,
Frenchbob
Euro-Tactical - Firearms Training for Everyone
It does look a good piece of kit, probably as good as most other modern support weapons. I personally dont like bullpup weapons. The guys and girls who were in the vid all did the same thing during their mag changes and constantly looked down at the weapon. Changing from the right to the left shoulder looked like a compromise to say the least.
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Scartissue
Longterm Registered User
Fired the Steyr many times and I personally don't like it!!! Reminded me off the FAMAS which felt loose and toy like! I can't put my finger on it but they just don't feel right! I have also had the opportunity to fire the G36 on a number of occasions and have to say it is fantastic. A well thought out solid weapon that is reliable.
I for one belief a quick look at the magazine housing on a magazine change is a good drill as it will stop you trying find it when your flapping! I know you can feed it by touch alone but a 0.02sec glance will let you know where to put your hand straight away rather than running you hand up the underside of the weapon! Even after much training it is still difficult to carryout rapid magazine changes when the pressure is on. For an infantry soldier you will usually dive into the nearest cover anyway to perform a magazine change. In specialist units you maybe trained to change magazines whilst still moving forward and whilst you are still identifying targets but this is a difficult skill to master and is usually best kept to Close Quarter Battle (CQB) scenarios... but again if your long clicks then the stoppage drill should be moving to your sidearm if there are still visible threats.
I for one belief a quick look at the magazine housing on a magazine change is a good drill as it will stop you trying find it when your flapping! I know you can feed it by touch alone but a 0.02sec glance will let you know where to put your hand straight away rather than running you hand up the underside of the weapon! Even after much training it is still difficult to carryout rapid magazine changes when the pressure is on. For an infantry soldier you will usually dive into the nearest cover anyway to perform a magazine change. In specialist units you maybe trained to change magazines whilst still moving forward and whilst you are still identifying targets but this is a difficult skill to master and is usually best kept to Close Quarter Battle (CQB) scenarios... but again if your long clicks then the stoppage drill should be moving to your sidearm if there are still visible threats.
Agree re the FAMAS, lots I don't like about that thing! Re the glance at mag housing, why not, if the weapons up in line of sight even better, it's a bit like people saying shooting with one eye closed narrows your field of view, it doesn't. You close one eye briefly to acquire good sight picture, bang then open eye; simples! Same with mag change, quick split second glance just to make sure. Just don't fall in love and start staring lovingly at it!!
Hi there MAY, glad you concur.
Regards,
Frenchbob
Euro-Tactical - Firearms Training for Everyone
Hi there MAY, glad you concur.
Regards,
Frenchbob
Euro-Tactical - Firearms Training for Everyone
The Steyr looks like an interesting piece of kit (and the Tavor too) though I must say I never fancied the assault rifles with bullpup configuration, perhaps it’s just a matter of not having really ‘worked’ with them.
As for the G36, back in the forces I used the G36, the G36K and the G36C and never had a single problem, if I experienced a stoppage it turned out to be ammunition fault. Although I must say that despite all its virtues, we always found the magazines too ‘bulky’ (you needed a pouch for 3 STANAG magazines just to keep two of the G36) though that could have been easily solved changing the factory mag well for the adapter designed for the US market.
However, to be honest there were a couple of issues when the G36 came into service in our unit, a few rifles needed a handguard change because it showed small ‘melting’ signs after intense firing (after the change no more problems with that) and we were also asked to send back some of the bayonets with a specific set of serial numbers to be changed because we were told they could break if they fell and hit the ground in a certain angle, never saw it happen but I guess HK people just wanted to be sure. No problems at all with the G36K or the G36C.
As for the G36, back in the forces I used the G36, the G36K and the G36C and never had a single problem, if I experienced a stoppage it turned out to be ammunition fault. Although I must say that despite all its virtues, we always found the magazines too ‘bulky’ (you needed a pouch for 3 STANAG magazines just to keep two of the G36) though that could have been easily solved changing the factory mag well for the adapter designed for the US market.
However, to be honest there were a couple of issues when the G36 came into service in our unit, a few rifles needed a handguard change because it showed small ‘melting’ signs after intense firing (after the change no more problems with that) and we were also asked to send back some of the bayonets with a specific set of serial numbers to be changed because we were told they could break if they fell and hit the ground in a certain angle, never saw it happen but I guess HK people just wanted to be sure. No problems at all with the G36K or the G36C.
Stevie1111616
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FrenchBob - G36? OK.....;-)
Colleagues had to give up their MP5s for the G36c for intervention and, despite making it work by necessity, would take their MP5s back tomorrow if they had their way.
They are also looking at alternatives but as in all things these days, it is down to funding.
The K is a good support weapon but the same people don't have a great lot of use for them as they fill a gap that really doesn't exist in their usage, between the AI (7.62) and the G36c.
Another version - the CV, with the standard optic sight (no red dot) - was brought into service but has been plagued by a combination of technical faults (some people don't like that word being used) and procedures for bringing it into ops use. The sight is not really of any use for the purpose it is supposed to serve, which would be better achieved by a combo of iron sights and a picatinney rail on the top with all the options it allows. With some senior people, common sense is a vague optional extra.
The cocking handle can have a dodgy weld; as mentioned, in continuous auto fire the foregrip starts to melt from the inside; the folding stock can break near the hinge; link lugs break easily on the mags; and so on.
To be honest I'm not a great fan of this plastic kit - I'm told that the compact SiG in 7.62 (can't recall its designation), despite its excessive noise in CQB, is a very good tool and it has a greater percentage of metal parts. The G36 is virtually a SA80A2 with a different 'body shape' as (according to a younger colleague) it has identical working mechanisms. My colleague's experience of the Steyr is of a very good weapon which can be used in prone without discomfort or effect on accuracy.
Ultimately it is down to 'horses for courses' - whatever tool does the job best. They all do some jobs well and others, not so.
Still a lot to be said for the HK33 / G3. If it ain't broke, why replace it......
Colleagues had to give up their MP5s for the G36c for intervention and, despite making it work by necessity, would take their MP5s back tomorrow if they had their way.
They are also looking at alternatives but as in all things these days, it is down to funding.
The K is a good support weapon but the same people don't have a great lot of use for them as they fill a gap that really doesn't exist in their usage, between the AI (7.62) and the G36c.
Another version - the CV, with the standard optic sight (no red dot) - was brought into service but has been plagued by a combination of technical faults (some people don't like that word being used) and procedures for bringing it into ops use. The sight is not really of any use for the purpose it is supposed to serve, which would be better achieved by a combo of iron sights and a picatinney rail on the top with all the options it allows. With some senior people, common sense is a vague optional extra.
The cocking handle can have a dodgy weld; as mentioned, in continuous auto fire the foregrip starts to melt from the inside; the folding stock can break near the hinge; link lugs break easily on the mags; and so on.
To be honest I'm not a great fan of this plastic kit - I'm told that the compact SiG in 7.62 (can't recall its designation), despite its excessive noise in CQB, is a very good tool and it has a greater percentage of metal parts. The G36 is virtually a SA80A2 with a different 'body shape' as (according to a younger colleague) it has identical working mechanisms. My colleague's experience of the Steyr is of a very good weapon which can be used in prone without discomfort or effect on accuracy.
Ultimately it is down to 'horses for courses' - whatever tool does the job best. They all do some jobs well and others, not so.
Still a lot to be said for the HK33 / G3. If it ain't broke, why replace it......
Scartissue
Longterm Registered User
Totally agreed!
The HK33 and G3 were all solid weapons for in the field up to Urban operations and the MP5 and Kurz covered the Urban to CQB. The HK53 filled the gap really between Field and Urban and that is why it was a favourite in Northern Ireland (NI).
I like the 7.62 stopping power of the G3 and the Kurz as a good area weapon for vehicle ambushes. One magazine of the Kurz through the windscreen gives your oppo enough time to exit the vehicle, take up a fire position and provide cover for yourself... However it is always good for your oppo to apply the handbrake before exiting rather than allowing the vehicle and yourself to roll towards the Illegal Vehicle Checkpoint (Exercise obviously).
Quantumshot
Full Registered User
I have a Steyr AUG-A3 and all I can say is I like it. Shoots nice and handles nice. Got a 21" barrel on it and its still just a notch shorter than the M4.
Well, I got to play with the Steyr AUG-A3 at MILIPOL, Paris last week. It seems to be a nice bit of kit. Not had much experience with bullpups but this felt comfortable and more solid than it looks, would be nice to actually fire it before making further judgement though. I think we will see more bullpup designs as the military start looking for a weapon for CQB and longer distances, the bullpups with longer barrel length but shorter overall length may be the way forward? Just need to get used to mag position, it will never be as efficient as conventional mag position. But hey, adapt/overcome?
Had a look at the FN F2000 too, at first glance it looks very futuristic and plastic but it actually feels very comfy, interesting design in ejecting spent cases; along internal tube and out the front near the muzzle, so when used by a lefty they don't get empty cases in their face. Shame we can't get to have a blatt!!
Regards,
Frenchbob
Euro-Tactical - Firearms Training for Everyone
Had a look at the FN F2000 too, at first glance it looks very futuristic and plastic but it actually feels very comfy, interesting design in ejecting spent cases; along internal tube and out the front near the muzzle, so when used by a lefty they don't get empty cases in their face. Shame we can't get to have a blatt!!
Regards,
Frenchbob
Euro-Tactical - Firearms Training for Everyone