Training for the ladies

Thanks for the link. Just to start a bit of discussion but why would there be a need for a female only course. I would have thought that the core course would apply to both sexes and after all females would be working alongside their male counterparts. Certainly the females I know that work in the industry and the ones that I have trained with saw little need to be segregated. In fact if anything it made the courses better.

If you are going to work together then you might as well train together. What do others think?
 
Nomad said:
Thanks for the link. Just to start a bit of discussion but why would there be a need for a female only course. I would have thought that the core course would apply to both sexes and after all females would be working alongside their male counterparts. Certainly the females I know that work in the industry and the ones that I have trained with saw little need to be segregated. In fact if anything it made the courses better.

If you are going to work together then you might as well train together. What do others think?
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I dont really see the need for such a course in the UK; however, with some courses especially those in South Africa having an intense fitness regime to pass the course, I can understand how women can feel intimidated.

Also, I'd see such courses more suited for Au-Pairs as opposed to CPO's.

I certainly wouldnt want a colleague to treat me different becuase of my sex, so why should I pretend my shit dont stink and segregate myself in the first place?
 
I dont disagree Nomad, i did my course with male and female students and wouldnt have had it any other way. I think this is just an extra for girls to do some extra combat training etc and they seem to have a market in the states particularly for training nannies and childminders in cp. Also in other countries there is said to be a shortage of female cps to protect muslim female business executives or celebrities, who may prefer/require a female BG for culture reasons.
I dont think this course is aimed at replacing CP qualifications required to gain an SIA licence, or that its recognised as such...i believe its just an extra for anyone who wants to attend.
 
As a female I'm pretty sceptical of female only training / courses and find its usually for one of a couple of reasons. The top 2 reasons being that funding has been given under the guise of 'females need more opportunities/equal ops for females' funding or for whatever reason the actual course/training is not the primary point..

I'd lost virtually all interest when I read the female only bit. When I read it was going to be filmed and aired any other left over bit of interest went out the window.
 
oops...did i post on the wrong forum...? Is this the "CPs against fun" forum? lol

well I say good luck to them, nothing wrong with offering people something a little different.
 
I agree, I work in a multi-sex enviroment. To have such a course sounds a little discriminating, not that I,m bothered personally, but we should all train together a a team and put aside any differences. Women have proved themselves in many jobs now as equals to men in a variety of jobs.....whats the point of having a female olny course now!!
 
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If they want a female only course, why not. I bet the language will be better from the DS. As to Au-pair and not CPO I don't think so.
 
Thought id pickup on a couple of the concerns voiced, just to explain in my opinion, reasons that people may want a female course.

Firstly, how can we assume that those who have been trained in a mixed course are immediately ready to work, more suitable or have more skills??? In a training course you gain the knowledge about this profession but surely it’s by working in the role that you gain the experience and the ability. There are so many training courses out there and by attending one doesn’t mean you are a bodyguard or CP operative. Its more the experience and the knowledge you gain in the role and using your intelligence and integrity to put what you’ve learned into practice that makes you good at the job, not just attending the course.

Traditionally close protection throughout the world has been a male dominated profession and even now it is very much so. Today you can find male only courses (throughout the world) or mixed courses (male and female), so what is the problem with having a course designed specifically with females in mind?

Is it because the industry is still very much dominated by male operatives that some think that a course training female operatives will not have the same credibility?

Is it not more important that the course provider proves its credibility in the information and learning support it delivers, the instructors it uses, and the respect and reputation of the organisations that support, accredit and certificate it?

By attending a female cp course will not make a CP operative who cannot work alongside men. Whether she attends a mixed or female course, when she goes out to work in her role, she will have to prove herself to her colleagues, male and female. Her reputation is not immediately set on where or with what type of group she trained.

Finally, some students may find it more appropriate or comfortable to attend a female CP course because they have had uncomfortable experiences training in mixed courses in the past, they may feel they lack some confidence to compete with for example very fit ex military males, which is common place in todays industry, and sometimes for cultural or personal reasons they may feel that a female course will provide a more comfortable learning environment for them. None of these reasons would suggest that they will not make a good CP operative.

I think the course providers are offering something different for those who prefer to take that opportunity... choices..!



ps, sorry about the font colour...dont know why its come out that colour.
 
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Two things about this course, female only courses area waste of time as we are often the only female on a course and therefore should learn how to work with the guys, secondly its run as an Israeli course so therefore you will not be able to work in the middle east.

jacquie
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Been discussed by other trainers in the past and the reason it hasn't happened so far is because 99% of females don't want it, and as they are the market it is aimed at then it was never seen as a vaible option, or one worth any credence. It is a male dominated industry, fact. As such women need to train with men right from the start, however if Charlies Angels were real then maybe it would be a viabe option...... but as they're not, well i see more women being insulted by the idea that they cannot train with men and need a female only course than there are those who would prefer to do it.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth, but i prefered to train with men
 
Hi just for anyone that may be interested.
Just boking on a course a CP course with Blue Mountain Its Two weeks and run by a guy who is Ex Regiment, rather than just says he is through association. They are offering it at £1250 plus Vat and have added some other stuff as well as what is needed like, using dogs Survaillance, 2 Car Drills, and they have an TES-EX type weapons sytem for the course. The thing is that they will take Grants from DWP, British Legion etc so as long as the paperwork is done you dont have to pay for it. The Course is in S Wales and runs from the 24th May. There Contact number is on *************, Might be worth a call.
 
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Hi just for anyone that may be interested.
Just boking on a course a CP course with Blue Mountain Its Two weeks and run by a guy who is Ex Regiment, rather than just says he is through association. They are offering it at £1250 plus Vat and have added some other stuff as well as what is needed like, using dogs Survaillance, 2 Car Drills, and they have an TES-EX type weapons sytem for the course. The thing is that they will take Grants from DWP, British Legion etc so as long as the paperwork is done you dont have to pay for it. The Course is in S Wales and runs from the 24th May. There Contact number is on ***************, Might be worth a call.
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Ginger.
Do you represent bluemountaingroup?
Out of only a few posts you have made since joining in nov 2009, most of them have recommended or named the above company.
If it IS the case, and you are advertising the course, then please come clean and PAY CPW to help keep it free for the members.
If not, then will you acknowledge that (as you say) you are only booked on a course with them, therefore presumably have no direct experience of them, so at least acknowledge that there are other providers out there. Possibly just as professional, possibly far more professional, but certainly all other providers who advertise on here tend to pay to advertise.

Please note I am saying this before I go and check out their website for myself, so may be completely barking up the wrong tree.
Don't mean to cause too much offence:)
RM
 
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Ginger.
Do you represent bluemountaingroup?
Out of only a few posts you have made since joining in nov 2009, most of them have recommended or named the above company.
If it IS the case, and you are advertising the course, then please come clean and PAY CPW to help keep it free for the members.
If not, then will you acknowledge that (as you say) you are only booked on a course with them, therefore presumably have no direct experience of them, so at least acknowledge that there are other providers out there. Possibly just as professional, possibly far more professional, but certainly all other providers who advertise on here tend to pay to advertise.

Please note I am saying this before I go and check out their website for myself, so may be completely barking up the wrong tree.
Don't mean to cause too much offence:)
RM
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Hi Clydesecurity,

I understand your view, especially as Blue Mountain specialise in driving courses, and Ginger also seems to have extensive knowledge.

I also may be barking up the wrong tree, but Gingers posts lack diversity in regards to backing various training providers.

Considering the title of the thread is based at courses for the ladies, the post by Ginger has no relavance as it is for both males and females...then to post the same post in 2 seperate threads is a bit OTT.

Forward to what CS has already stated and my own detective work, I would agree with his theory....but then what is personal opinion unless proven?????:rolleyes:
 
I don't know it would be financially viable, mixed courses struggle to get bums on seats and that's with a small percentage of females. If it was marketed in a certain way I'm sure it would appeal to some females. I picked up on a point of female only physical intervention training this would introduce a false sense of security as the females should be able to train with different size opponents. Speaking as someone who underwent police training females trained with their male colleagues and this occurs in other organisations.

The course appears to be very short? is it me or are courses becoming shorter and shorter. I recently met many female BG's at the CPW event and would have confidence working alongside them. When on a job there are no sexes just a well trained team.

Good Luck
 
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