Brexit anyone ; if it hasn't been covered already.
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It is ridiculous to think that the UK would not prosper outside of the EU, it already trades more with non-EU countries than with the EU. Don't listen to the scaremongering about trade, access to the free market (all that will happen is the admin will change), and stupid comments about the jungle moving to the UK. Speaking of which; The UK border control at Eurotunnel in Calais is enabled by the Sangatte Protocol (a bilateral Anglo-French agreement, nothing to do with the EU) that is dependent on the Canterbury Treaty that allows Eurotunnel to operate. The French government owns 55% of the tunnel. The French changing the Sangatte and Le Touguet agreements will result in the closure of the tunnel.......
Even the French are not that stupid. In fact, the French Interior Minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, has said ending the agreement is ‘not a responsible solution… a foolhardy path, and one the government will not pursue.’
My grandfather and his brothers fought to free Europe from German domination and secure freedom for the UK and what do Wilson and Heath do, give it away and here we are in a German dominated Europe. There is an opportunity to rectify the scam perpetrated on the British people in 1975 and I think it should be grabbed with both hands.
I'm still a British citizen so I get to vote if I'm in the UK on June 23 and if so I'll be voting to leave the EU.
The idiot Obama has been invited by Camermoron to speak to the British parliament and try and persuade the Brits to stay in. There's a petition to stop this dickhead from interfering.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119328
Even the French are not that stupid. In fact, the French Interior Minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, has said ending the agreement is ‘not a responsible solution… a foolhardy path, and one the government will not pursue.’
My grandfather and his brothers fought to free Europe from German domination and secure freedom for the UK and what do Wilson and Heath do, give it away and here we are in a German dominated Europe. There is an opportunity to rectify the scam perpetrated on the British people in 1975 and I think it should be grabbed with both hands.
I'm still a British citizen so I get to vote if I'm in the UK on June 23 and if so I'll be voting to leave the EU.
The idiot Obama has been invited by Camermoron to speak to the British parliament and try and persuade the Brits to stay in. There's a petition to stop this dickhead from interfering.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119328
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protectasia
Longterm Registered User
Personally I was planning from two months ago to go on holliday to Scothland and visiting the shetland area (and orchards, of course) so my only concern is about using my EU member identity card or the passport, that is all.
As you have said UK has no need at all to be in/out the EU, has no important trade apart from refugees (economic ones) and undesirable persons so...
About the Obama (mr peace nobel awarded) speech, how could I be polite about this? don´t you need also Mr Putin assisting your well grown and adult politicians getting the point? or is it that the common Joe will decide on behalf of what a estranger non even EU involved politician on his way out to retirement after "two successful tours" will tell???.
As you have said UK has no need at all to be in/out the EU, has no important trade apart from refugees (economic ones) and undesirable persons so...
About the Obama (mr peace nobel awarded) speech, how could I be polite about this? don´t you need also Mr Putin assisting your well grown and adult politicians getting the point? or is it that the common Joe will decide on behalf of what a estranger non even EU involved politician on his way out to retirement after "two successful tours" will tell???.
KingLeonidas
Longterm Registered User
Brexit ... Yes!
I'll weigh in. I havent been on this forum for a long time.
I think it is a very smart move for the UK to chart an independent course. There is no way that Europe can stay together ... the financial system in Europe cannot possibly survive the strain. Greece is a dead duck, Portugal is not far behind, the economy of France is sinking like a rock, and it will be a miracle if Italy doesnt go into a full-blown crisis.
The UK isnt responsible for this banking disaster, and UK citizens shouldnt be stuck with it. BREXIT is a very good idea, in my opinion. Good luck!!
I'll weigh in. I havent been on this forum for a long time.
I think it is a very smart move for the UK to chart an independent course. There is no way that Europe can stay together ... the financial system in Europe cannot possibly survive the strain. Greece is a dead duck, Portugal is not far behind, the economy of France is sinking like a rock, and it will be a miracle if Italy doesnt go into a full-blown crisis.
The UK isnt responsible for this banking disaster, and UK citizens shouldnt be stuck with it. BREXIT is a very good idea, in my opinion. Good luck!!
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Not my own work below, stole it from Facebook but I think it sums it up well.
As far as it affecting what I do, I guess there'll be a bit more paperwork involved in travel. It's not going to have any effect on the boss' business, in fact with the ability to pursue and negotiate business with anyone he wants will probably lead to more success for him, more travel for us and more nice hotels for me
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
As far as it affecting what I do, I guess there'll be a bit more paperwork involved in travel. It's not going to have any effect on the boss' business, in fact with the ability to pursue and negotiate business with anyone he wants will probably lead to more success for him, more travel for us and more nice hotels for me
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
littlewoman
Longterm Registered User
Not my own work below, stole it from Facebook but I think it sums it up well.
As far as it affecting what I do, I guess there'll be a bit more paperwork involved in travel. It's not going to have any effect on the boss' business, in fact with the ability to pursue and negotiate business with anyone he wants will probably lead to more success for him, more travel for us and more nice hotels for me
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
So have you done the normal due diligence and actually checked this information. Some of it is no doubt true, the EU gives grants to companies to set up in poorer countries. That is why many US companies set up in Ireland and at one time various companies (including UK ones) set up in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately the companies embark on grant tourism, they go to a place to get the grant then move to the next place to get another grant. Some of these companies may well have come here because of grants before moving on.
However, considering that Mr. Dyson supports brexit and I can think of no reason why the EU could fund someone leaving the EU, I'd be very doubtful that the claim is true. Try and find any reference for it on the internet and all you find is the same list copied and pasted all over the place with no evidence of where the information has come from. Sadly, that has been the mark of the leave campaign, lots of stuff circulating on social media, some of which is true, some of which has some truth and some of which is complete bollox.
alamarahsoldier
Longterm Registered User
Let's leave and get our country back!! We won two world wars didn't we, so Britain stays as Britain!!
KingLeonidas
Longterm Registered User
CONGRATULATIONS to the people of the UK today. This is surely a historic vote. But I think it is a very sensible result. Britain must regain control of its essential industries ... especially defence, transportation, and energy production.
No doubt this will send a shockwave through Europe. Many Europeans will blame Britain if the EU collapses. But in truth ... the EU was already dead. It was unworkable ... one banking system cannot control all of Europe. There will be a lot of hardship .. probably a lot of Britains who are working in Europe will be told to pack their bags and go. But I still think it is important ... for Britain to get its lifeblood back.
If Winston Churchill was still alive- he would be very proud of Britain today.
No doubt this will send a shockwave through Europe. Many Europeans will blame Britain if the EU collapses. But in truth ... the EU was already dead. It was unworkable ... one banking system cannot control all of Europe. There will be a lot of hardship .. probably a lot of Britains who are working in Europe will be told to pack their bags and go. But I still think it is important ... for Britain to get its lifeblood back.
If Winston Churchill was still alive- he would be very proud of Britain today.
On the other hand I hate this result, just 3 days ago I got some pounds, so now I paid way too much for them 
. Next Sunday, elections day in Spain, I am flying to Edinburgh...
About some problems for working class... NO rational company would send it´s employees away for this, just get the permits and done (so for sure 99% of companies in Spain will give the kick to it´s employees as "business-mind" and "Spanish boss" are the opposite 99% of the time).
I agree that the EU is a no-go, every time we have to get a decision we need the 27 States to agree, not easy!, and maybe the smart movement as Mr Leonidas says is to go away from this mess (social, political and economical) that the EU has become; Specially with the new wave of "politicians" aspiring to rule the southern states as happened in Greece (have a go with "Unidos-Podemos" party in Spain and you will understand me, it is said to be now the 2nd force just 4% after the Popular Party "PP"; terrible to think that a bunch of left wing radicals could get so far).
The thing after the "Brexit" seems more related with economy, migration, security and populism, not politics itself as far as I know. The funny thing is that even the gambling companies have been shocked, they were 1-4 for "leave" so if the people have voted and bided, this will be a BIG thumps up for UK economy despite Scotland and Norther Ireland menace to "re-think" their staying in the UK instead EU or the 10% devaluation the pound has suffered today.
. Next Sunday, elections day in Spain, I am flying to Edinburgh...About some problems for working class... NO rational company would send it´s employees away for this, just get the permits and done (so for sure 99% of companies in Spain will give the kick to it´s employees as "business-mind" and "Spanish boss" are the opposite 99% of the time).
I agree that the EU is a no-go, every time we have to get a decision we need the 27 States to agree, not easy!, and maybe the smart movement as Mr Leonidas says is to go away from this mess (social, political and economical) that the EU has become; Specially with the new wave of "politicians" aspiring to rule the southern states as happened in Greece (have a go with "Unidos-Podemos" party in Spain and you will understand me, it is said to be now the 2nd force just 4% after the Popular Party "PP"; terrible to think that a bunch of left wing radicals could get so far).
The thing after the "Brexit" seems more related with economy, migration, security and populism, not politics itself as far as I know. The funny thing is that even the gambling companies have been shocked, they were 1-4 for "leave" so if the people have voted and bided, this will be a BIG thumps up for UK economy despite Scotland and Norther Ireland menace to "re-think" their staying in the UK instead EU or the 10% devaluation the pound has suffered today.
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alamarahsoldier
Longterm Registered User
Something Strange Emerges When Looking Behind The "Brexit" Bookie Odds | Zero Hedge
A good read and will tell you why remain were so short.
A good read and will tell you why remain were so short.
littlewoman
Longterm Registered User
Those betting patterns are suspicious, but I would question their theory that rich businessmen were betting on Remain because that is what they wanted. Rich businessmen aren't going to place a bet on such a close call, they would be more likely to invest the money, even if it is only moving buying and selling currency, or buying more stock from either the UK or abroad depending on what you thought the currencies would do.
Putting a £25k bet and various other large bets influenced the betting odds in favour of Remain, which may have caused more Brexit types to actually vote.
Sturgeon 'the political one from the crankies'. Confuses me. Post brexit she is now confusing me.
If she had been successful in her aims to separate from the rest of Britain. Scotland would have been out of the EU.
Now we are out of the EU, she says that's not fair.
Attempting as she is to find a way back onto the (sinking) good ship SS Europe.
She should have stuck to comedy me thinks.
If she had been successful in her aims to separate from the rest of Britain. Scotland would have been out of the EU.
Now we are out of the EU, she says that's not fair.
Attempting as she is to find a way back onto the (sinking) good ship SS Europe.
She should have stuck to comedy me thinks.
OJ,
She doesn't confuse me so much as irritate me, democracy saw Scotland vote to remain part of the U.K. It also saw the U.K. vote to leave the EU....
Democracy at its best one would think?
Yet wee crankie wants to fight the system again, well that being the case the whole of the U.K. Should get to vote to see if Scotland is to remain part of the U.K.
Me I think she should go back to kids tv and leave the adults to discuss serious matters
Regards
premier
littlewoman
Longterm Registered User
The Scotland independent lot always said they would stay in the EU if they left the UK. They did fail to spell out to the electorate that they'd have to negotiate their way back in, and the exact process was all a bit vague because an EU country has never separated into two before.
It is quite possible that their dodgy position in relation to the EU if they left the UK, meant that some people voted in favour of staying in the UK. At the time that they voted to stay in the UK, the possibility of the UK leaving the EU wasn't on the agenda (ie. the Conservatives hadn't said they'd have a referendum) so now the situation has changed.