DS/SG First Aid equipment: advice?

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Phantomsteve

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Along with my DS training, I also did the "Emergency First Aid" course.

What should I carry on my belt when working doors (also, what about for doing static SG work, is it different)?

I was recommended to have the following:
- gloves
- a Merlin Mask in hard case(can keep the gloves in there too...)
- cleaning wipes (for self and area - NOT for a casualty: don't know their allergies etc, leave that for the ambulance crew/hospital)

I have a Merlin Mask and a "responder pouch" (containing a pair of gloves, a CPR face-shield (one of the plastic sheet types) and cleaning wipes (I'm ignoring the plasters, etc - I don't know the casualties allergies, etc)

Any advice on:
- what folks here would have when they are DSing?
- what folks here would have when they are SGing?
- what I can expect an employer/premises to have *by law* (and what else they would generally have).

Apart from the first aid stuff, at the moment all I've bought is aSIA Hi-iz License Holder (armband) plus Fake ID checker(they came together!) - I'm reading through the "what kit should I have" threads here, and getting useful ideas for non-first aid kit!

Regards,
Steve
 
When I worked the (doors) I only had medical gloves
But we always keept a first aid kit close by.
The standard first aid kits that you can by in any shopping mall for around 25£ is enough on that task. When you go remote and work in other environments you bring other stuff that is important.
Hawk
 
Phantom

Why carry two masks? I know the little one doesn't take up much room, but if space is limited then do you really need two? Are ya gonna be doing CPR on two casualties in the one night? (I know... ya never know, but the chances are slim).

Wipes - not for casualty? .... ok, not ideal but don't rule them out.
Plasters... not on casualty.... hmmm if someone needs a plaster, then they are not "big sick" which means that they can therfore answer your question "are you allergic to plasters?" or even... "do you want a plaster?"
What first aid emergencies are you likely to come across in licensed premises?

Intoxication.... someone completely unable to look after themselves.
If that is the case, then you need to assess whether or not they are blind drunk, or in an alcohol induced coma. How do you know?
Drunk - they will respond to external stimulus - AVP
Alcohol induced coma, they will not respond to any external stimulus incuding pain stimulus. If this is the case, the very first thing to do is to call an ambulance.


What else... Heart attack - we therefore have the argument over aspirin.... different trainers will tell you different things - I am not going in to that debate here.

Next.... Assault.
Assault in a licensed premises is going to result in some bleeding - either through the use of glassware or bottle to infilct injury, or as a result of someone being knocked to the ground and taking a table with them, or drinks out of someone else's hand, so you need something which will stem the bleeding. A medium dressing or large dressing may or may not fit in to your pouch. What about a sanitary towel? Much slimmer than a dressing. does a similar job, and is as reasonably sterile ish.

So...
First thing's first:

Gloves On

Couple of dressings
Facemask
Plasters
Wipes
Poly bag

Working in a licensed premises, you should have a first aid kit somewhere handy.
The premises are only required to stock a standard HSE 20 person first aid kit... Good luck in finding that...
They will most likely have a box of plasters, some kitchen or blue roll and a few bar towels....

YOUR first aid kit is only to be used until someone brings a grown up to help, so it does not need to be all singing all dancing. It just needs to keep you safe and clean, and be able to stem any injury until the aforementioned grown up arrives.

Anything else is probably just to add to your own ego of having a rambo pack on your belt.

Hope this helps
Bubba
 
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Bubba said:
Why carry two masks? I know the little one doesn't take up much room, but if space is limited then do you really need two? Are ya gonna be doing CPR on two casualties in the one night? (I know... ya never know, but the chances are slim).
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The little one is in a pouch which measures 3x4x1 inch - containing gloves and wipes - definitely not much space! However, I'd probably be inclined to ditch it, and put gloves in with the Merlin.

Bubba said:
YOUR first aid kit is only to be used until someone brings a grown up to help, so it does not need to be all singing all dancing. It just needs to keep you safe and clean, and be able to stem any injury until the aforementioned grown up arrives.

Anything else is probably just to add to your own ego of having a rambo pack on your belt.

Hope this helps
Bubba
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It does help - as does everyone elses' replies.

I don't want to be over-equipped, but I also don't want to be missing something which experienced DS/SG staff would expect to be standard!
 
Experienced door staff will be more than pleased if you carry gloves let alone anything else... The standard of DS coming in just now is somewhat lax, so anyone who goes just a little over what is expected of the "also-rans" will gain some respect from their colleagues.

Make sure you know what you have and where it is....
keep everything in the same place all the time, that way you can put your hands on what you need straight away.

All the very best
Bubba
 
Gloves for your own protection.
The premesis / Yopur Employer will have a legal duty to undertake a first aid assessment of needs and to supply any first aid equipment and trained first aiders that their assessment highlights. So if your employer does not supply it, dont worry.
 
Thats what the law says Phecta, you are quite correct.
The reality..... probably different - especially if you are working for single unit operators..... the first aid kit will be in the back bar or the entrance to the cellar next to the crisps, and will have been raided for all the plasters.

Check it out... keep yourself safe....
Bubba
 
First thing i ask for when i deal with an incident at any work premesis or with someone who is at work is "Who is the First Aider on Duty" and What Treatment has been undertaken.

This information is documented onto the Patient Clinical Record. So if there is no first aider or no treatment delivered then the casualties solicitor has the information when they access their records. Silularly, if there has been a first aider and treatment has been administered, then the premesis manager has some good defence.

If your employer does not supply the kit then just ensure you have gloves, its the employer who ends up being sued.
 
Phecta said:
First thing i ask for when i deal with an incident at any work premesis or with someone who is at work is "Who is the First Aider on Duty" and What Treatment has been undertaken.

This information is documented onto the Patient Clinical Record. So if there is no first aider or no treatment delivered then the casualties solicitor has the information when they access their records. Silularly, if there has been a first aider and treatment has been administered, then the premesis manager has some good defence.

If your employer does not supply the kit then just ensure you have gloves, its the employer who ends up being sued.
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And the patient who suffers.

The lads trying to be conscientious.
Can't fault him for that.
Yes the laws the law.
But he wants to be of use, who wants to stand there and say it's not my job, not my responsibility.
Not I.
So Good on you son.
 
Oddjob said:
And the patient who suffers.

The lads trying to be conscientious.
Can't fault him for that.
Yes the laws the law.
But he wants to be of use, who wants to stand there and say it's not my job, not my responsibility.
Not I.
So Good on you son.
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See what I mean.... Oddjob is known as bein an old........eh.. "oldie but goodie" apparently hehe.

If you try and do your best then you won't go far wrong.

With regards to Phecta.... he turns up in a green uniform, with a blue light... That makes him (as far as the premises is concerned) a representative of the law, or at least someone very very official.
He WILL get lied to, he WILL have things covered up and he WILL be told everything that he can be to make the premises look good.

The reality may be somewhat different... Lies and deceit may have been worked out by the bar supervisor or manager prior to talking to the ambulance, and they will generally always make sure that they are right on the case... there, being concerned when the ambulance arrives.

This may NOT be out of genuine concern for the casualty, but rather for covering their own ass.

Just to echo everyone else... yes, First Aid Kit should be supplied (although there is a legal grey area with regards to the size of kit etc to use for licensed premises - Management of Health and Safety Regulations STATE that visitors MUST be taken into consideration when undertaking a risk assessment...... First Aid at Work regs SUGGEST that you MAY want to consider visitors in your first aid needs assessment, but there is no legal requirement to do so. Yes, there is a moral obligation and any first aid needs assessment I do, the visitors and customers are taken into consideration, but legally.... very grey)

I started work in a premises where bottling was a regular occurrence... I asked where the first aid kit was, and was directed to a cupboard. The cupboard contained towels, antiseptic cream and plasters.
They didn't use anything else for first aid so didn't need anything else. (So they told me).
First aid is not given the respect that it deserves.

I provide first aid training as part of my day time job... I also sell first aid training. In talks this week with one of the largest companies in the UK - Higher risk category... no question about it. They have lone workers. About 200 - 300 people working out of one site, and there are a number of sites across the UK. How many first aiders do they THINK they require per site?

1.

No concern about sick days or absences or multi site working or lone workers. "If we have one person who works in the office as first aider then everyone knows where she is. Anyone out in the field can just call an ambulance - it is probably quicker"

So, I am looking like the most ridiculously money grabbing person on the face of the planet, as I am telling them that we need to implement a rolling plan of first aid training across the next 9 months just to get them CLOSE to compliant.

First aid is not respected. Until someone is DIRECTLY affected by First Aid at Work, then they (on the whole) have VERY little interest in it.

I only came on here today for a break from work and have ended up ranting and hijacking a thread... someone call a mod!!

Phantom.... if yer working as SG then make sure you have something to deal with slips trips and falls, as well as abrasions

Bye fur noo

Bubba
 
For my SG work I try to go with as little as possible: Gloves in my pocket, as well as in the first aid kit; face shield with a plastic valve, not the filter type (moisture runs through it); ambulance dressing in 12cmx7cm (will fit most wounds) X 2; ambulance dressing in 18cmx18cm (if ya pull this one out you just know he's really buggered...); two small vials of saline solution, two large melolin pads (to stem massive bleeding fast), five small melolin or gauze pads (useful for eye injuries and cuts to the head as they tend to be small and common); a few rolls of bandages. This all fits neatly in a small pouch that drops down. I also keep a roll of tape, toughcuts and a penlight there.
 
Hi I'm potter,

This is my first post so I may be a bit rusty on the forum etiquette.

I work as a DS in a venue that's very busy and we have had a spate of bottlings and glassings almost every week for a month, I'm fully first aid at work qualified and I have a lot of experience with first aid scenarios.

I have one small belt pouch which I keep all my equipment in obviously gloves are a must because if run into a situation where a pissed person has been hit in the head with a bottle ,claret will be flying everywhere, they don't stay very still.

I do keep wipes and plasters on me, plasters generally go on minor glass cuts from broken glass on the floor and girls feet when their heels hurt, so not essential but a few take up no room and don't weigh anything.

I think wipes of some kind are essential because the amount of blood that pisses out of peoples heads you will never be able to find the cut itself which is probably quite small to immediately just give hem a dressing to hold on it and stop the bleeding while you take them to the first aid room/point.

A good alternative if you are really worried by allergies is to use a small dressing and a tube of saline solution meant for eyewash to wash the blood away then a fresh dressing for the cut to stem the bleed.

If you can fit it in the eye bandages with elasticated loops on them to fit over the head are a good shout as the head is the area generally injured and these are quick and easy to pop straight on until the ambulance arrives.

I also carry my notebook and a bunch of pens to take their details as you need these to write up your accident report to cover your back. the notebook is a tiny security one and the best pens are the free ones from Argos :) nick 5 and you'll never run out!

The final piece of kit I carry is a pen torch/laser pen combo as you need to see what you are doing in a dark cub sometimes and the laser pen is awesome for pointing people out in a busy club and leads to less mistaken identities. A good trick in first aid is to check their eyes to see if heir pupils react normally, also good for spotting people out of their faces on drugs. Everyone in my club carries these.

I also keep chewing gum and a lighter in there but that's irrelevant. This is all in the "Viper" notebook case.

Potter
 
That's not a bad kit you got there. Think I might just have to nick the trick with eye patches, never thought of using those. However, why use the wipes for bloodstemming? Easier, and faster to use a normal Melolin pad or gauze pad. The wipes are mainly for cleaning a wound, and any headwound will clean itself due to the blood. Just a thought, we all got our own ways of doing shite ;)
 
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