How not to do it :)

SCT

Security Directors
This video is so wrong on so many levels.

[video=youtube_share;lARYUDy8BNY]http://youtu.be/lARYUDy8BNY[/video]

Another "hit man school" looking to scam money off of the chairborne rangers, keyboard warriors and screen berets.

Check 1.43 guy goes full retard. :)
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Not sure if the cameraman was brave or stupid. I wonder, have their insurers seen that video?

I'd go with stupid..... These fakeass "trainers" generally don't have insurance, business licenses, EIN's or anything else. It's assholes like these that make our job even harder. :)
 
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I never really make comment on or judgements about training practices but I have been around 'Combat Pistol' for a long time, competition or otherwise and as most of you know even now, I spend at least 3 days a month on the range... but tell me please? those pistol/handgun practices at CQ or VCQ (Very close quarter) is this normal protocols that companies out there are teaching?

I'm just interested to know that's all because it'll never affect how I continue to 'shoot' under my 'Shoot to Live' programme! so I'm not going to be jumping down anyone's throat for responses, just an interest thing really!

Thanks guys

CD
 
I never really make comment on or judgements about training practices but I have been around 'Combat Pistol' for a long time, competition or otherwise and as most of you know even now, I spend at least 3 days a month on the range... but tell me please? those pistol/handgun practices at CQ or VCQ (Very close quarter) is this normal protocols that companies out there are teaching?

I'm just interested to know that's all because it'll never affect how I continue to 'shoot' under my 'Shoot to Live' programme! so I'm not going to be jumping down anyone's throat for responses, just an interest thing really!

Thanks guys

CD

We do teach this. However, it is taught in a safe manner with at least 1 instructor per student when using live ammo on the range. Fast exercises with more than one student are done with simmunition, and voila... no-one dies :)

Here's a couple of examples of what I mean:

[video=youtube_share;3H5vXKZZjcY]http://youtu.be/3H5vXKZZjcY[/video]

[video=youtube_share;84KRrCgVW9U]http://youtu.be/84KRrCgVW9U[/video]

[video=youtube_share;cSbpwQtBhUk]http://youtu.be/cSbpwQtBhUk[/video]
 
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Roger that mate... but what you are showing me here is a stark difference to the other vids... I could explain and go into lots of detail but what you are doing with stance, weapon positioning, immediate surrounds awareness is very different... Again mate I make no judgements, horses for courses and all that and I believe in not commenting on or criticising something until I have experienced the training and tried and tested the skills... NOT that I intend to criticise what you a guys are doing... I know of your solid reputation...

:)

CD

PS - Sorry SCT I should have refined my first comment to are these the type of close quarter skills and functionality that companies are teaching out there... I obviously am very aware of CQ skills training with both short and long barrel...
 
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Roger that mate... but what you are showing me here is a stark difference to the other vids... I could explain and go into lots of detail but what you are doing with stance, weapon positioning, immediate surrounds awareness is very different... Again mate I make no judgements, horses for courses and all that and I believe in not commenting on or criticising something until I have experienced the training and tried and tested the skills... NOT that I intend to criticise what you a guys are doing... I know of your solid reputation...

:)

CD


No problem. The point I am trying to make is one of safety in VCQ training. The vids I posted were of a class that had no previous experience and the exercise shown is to deliver the message that pressing the bang switch up close and personal (even when its a paper target) has a different sensory input. Also, the BS in the original video is just that,BS. It's just a game and bears no relation to real life and it is something I would expect to see airsoft guys doing, not a bunch of retards using live ammo in a dangerous manner. We do something similar but with simunition and targets that shoot back (instructors). Unlike airsoft, simmunition hurts when you get hit (creates focus) and students are using the same weapons they use on the range (change of slide and barrel). The assholes in the original posted video probably sold this training on the basis of "reality training". I guess that due to the fact it is highly likely that someone is going to die on this course, in that context it is "reality" training :)
 
Thats great SCT. I know where I would rather spend my money. Good to see you guys using common sense, good quality training.

We do teach this. However, it is taught in a safe manner with at least 1 instructor per student when using live ammo on the range. Fast exercises with more than one student are done with simmunition, and voila... no-one dies :)

Here's a couple of examples of what I mean:

[video=youtube_share;3H5vXKZZjcY]http://youtu.be/3H5vXKZZjcY[/video]

[video=youtube_share;84KRrCgVW9U]http://youtu.be/84KRrCgVW9U[/video]

[video=youtube_share;cSbpwQtBhUk]http://youtu.be/cSbpwQtBhUk[/video]
 
OMG and I thought I was a bad shot until I saw this, she ran across his line of fire or he fired whilst she ran across. eek
I feel so much better

FBG
 
Sweet! I had been looking at moulded rubber blocks but they are 135 a go and work out at 5k for even a small backstop. More reading ensues....
 
Thanks for the interesting thread. Been back through it a couple of times, as well as thinking back on what we were doing up until last year when we sold the 20 acres of pine trees. The only people taught were Sheriff's deputy's and local 'street' cops. It started a few years ago, when I helped on Deputy qualify with a pistol. They go around for 8 or more hours a day, usually with their right elbow on top of their holster. In the trunk they have a 12 gauge Remington, and an M-16 (that they hunt with) but their sidearm is something they hardly ever use. So come annual pistol qualifying, 75% of them are afraid they may fail with the gun they carry every day. 15 minute talk; 30 minutes with a beverage can, and the pass. An American beverage can is about the size of both certain kill zones; heart and face. (People talk of 'head' shots when they mean face, as if it's not in the face, you shot them from behind!) I get them in line, drink the can of whatever, throw it down range as far as they can, now with the 'strong' hand only shoot at it five times. If they can hit it more than they miss it, they'll pass the 'qualifying'
We also did paper targets at 25 meters, one shooter at a time. Again one handed and the rest of you, shut up. There was always someone who would shout "Low left" or "High right" and I would say "Shut the f..k up!" "Chasing the last shot" gets you no where. Have a group somewhere, anywhere, and we can get you to move the group. But changing point of aim or grip in between shots? Go home and watch TV as you're wasting my time.
Like I said. Thanks for this thread. By the way, we were initially issued with a 9mm HiPower and a Sten. Never fired the Browning off range, as I carried my own Smith Model 27 with a three and a half inch barrel and my own 'home loads' ah memories... Sold the '27' 18 months ago when I thought we were moving back to the UK.
Must stop living in the past...
 
So you're staying then?
Mute point. My wife has been in OZ since November, and due back on the 19th., of this month. As you may know, she should not have flown due to her medical condition at the time, and 36 hours after getting off the flight in Melbourne she was having emergency surgery due to her bladder developing a hole and passage way into her bowel. 10 weeks later she had 4 hours of surgery reversing the first one. This stay, instead of being a holiday with our daughter lasting 4 weeks is still ongoing. In this time she has seen the best and worst of living there. Almost everything is 45-75% more expense than here, the spoken English which is 60% abbreviations, she finds annoying, and when I am there every spoken sentence sounds like a question. So far, the only thing cheaper is the private medical, and obviously the medical for locals and legal residents is free. We live on three acres with only one other house in our quarter mile long dead end road. In one field, I have cut (mowed) a Union Jack that takes up 3/4 of an acre of grass. (An IRS friend told me it comes up on their fortnightly computer scan of the USA looking for major things that change on property, and have owners declared it...) So, on balance, the only big disadvantage with living here is the corrupt pharmaceutical companies and the grossly inept GP's, and of course the prices they charge for shit awful service. To get a prescription renewed is $100.0 to sign in to ask for a renewal, then the charge is $25.00 for the actual script. If there are more than one medication, it's $25.00 for each script. It's a great place to be and to live, as long as one ignores the politics, of this is the greatest place in the world, we are the worlds Policeman, everyone wants to be American, everyone else in the world are wrong AND stupid etc etc.
Why have we lived here for 20 plus years? "In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King"
"In the land of the blind Covert Surveillance kit designers, I am a Prince" I used to be King, but for a couple of years, I didn't bother with much. However, for the past two years I have been more productive. To the point where I have recently finished finished a bodyworn system for a specific 'breed' of traffic Cop and a slightly more covert version for "The Paparazzi" who like to called "Photo Journalists" it has also been suggested for Private Detectives and Process servers. I won't piss any of the Mod's off by posting a link here, but if you are interested, try and find it on one of my websites. Time to Skype my wife in OZ...
To answer your question about us staying; it depends on selling the house, after Lee has recovered.
 
"finished finished" means it's no longer a "Rats nest" spread across a bench. And the particular breed of traffic cop is in the Narcotics Division working the Interstates for shipments of drugs going North and shipments of money going South, such as I-5 and I-95!
 
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