fidelis2007
Longterm Registered User
Very nice thread..This can also be reflected to all those "PSD/CP/HECPO/PEPCO/DEPCO" or whatever their-name-is courses and on plenty of "firearms courses".
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Customloads
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I do not agree, there is (as yet) not many civilian qualifications for firearms in this setting.
There are however clearly established and widely accepted quals in pre-hospital trauma care:-
FAAW
FPOS
Technician
Paramedic
As Starlight rightly says, the companies choose to accept that someone with a first aid badge can merrily tootle along and fill the role of a paramedic; they are too keen to assume that is what all the fluff in the CV amounts to.
Nail on the head Starlight and Customloads.
Then there´s the classic CV sift...leading to a job as a standard CPO. Only to find when you get there that you are expected to do all the training too and be the team paramedic and ......... yet get paid the same as everyone else on the project (or less). Real medics are treated like first aiders (no disrespect there at all but I mean it in the sense that despite all their training and experience they are not valued or listended to, because as Starlight points out, we identify flaws in what needs to be a professional seemless operation with no broken links in the chain and anything we identify costs $$$$ to fix).
In my mind, despite course names and despite job titles, it is the responsibility of the individual to quote his or her QUALIFICATIONS correctly.
Job titles are not qualifications in the same way courses attended are not qualifications.
Then there´s the classic CV sift...leading to a job as a standard CPO. Only to find when you get there that you are expected to do all the training too and be the team paramedic and ......... yet get paid the same as everyone else on the project (or less). Real medics are treated like first aiders (no disrespect there at all but I mean it in the sense that despite all their training and experience they are not valued or listended to, because as Starlight points out, we identify flaws in what needs to be a professional seemless operation with no broken links in the chain and anything we identify costs $$$$ to fix).
In my mind, despite course names and despite job titles, it is the responsibility of the individual to quote his or her QUALIFICATIONS correctly.
Job titles are not qualifications in the same way courses attended are not qualifications.
Customloads
Super Moderator
Absolutely.
BUT, who is motivated to make that the case...
The applicant wants their CV to stand up against the others.
The employer wants someone that ticks their boxes and isn't going to want paying more than anyone else.
The training provider want to sell courses, albeit in Remote Area Pre Hospital Emergency Medicine (I just made up another course! RAPHEM pronounced "rayfem" you know lol)
As with all areas that require regulation, someone has to have a vested interest in operators clearly stating the level of qualification and their experience.
well said, I spent 5 years in total at university to become an advanced nurse practitioner in emergency care, and have been lucky enough to have run ED's around the world. However I now find trauma medical practitioners running around in the middle east -and associate health practitioners (also known as health care assistants) running about in the NHS. After two decades of gaining much knowledge and experience I now work in a highly autonomous position but still realise there is much to learn and always prefer to have a good team around me. Joe public or these non-clinical employers however often find it hard to justify paying top dollar when they can get someone with a similar title on paper for pennies, just hope they don't get too poorly as some of the cv's I've seen lately for certain ALS posts are simply terrifying. Keep up the hard work all!!!
I think the solution is in understanding the CV for applicant, as TP's have no input on this.
Each application needs you to review and rewrite your CV, not to lie but to taylor it to the prospective employers needs by sticking to a few simple rules.
1. Never lie about yourself in your personal profile - it can only ever bite you in the arse, so if you was a grunt in rifle company say so instead of a recce sniper because if your caught out you'll only prove your not the guy they want watching their arse.
2. Taylor your qualifications to suit the role - I don't mean make them up, firstly put down the certificate you have and i don't mean the TP's one (i.e IPAT, CEER , VIPER...) I mean FPoS (I), HPC Para, RGN ect. Secondly, if your a paramedic going for a fpos (i) placement and have bothfpos(i) and hpc paramedic don't put down your paramedic qual being over qualified can be detrimental too, and equally if your going for a medic role and have mimms as well as paramedic put it down and show them you can manage and medic team with multiple casualties. Equally if you working towards a relevent qualification like a degree put it down with (in progress) in brackets next to it.
3. Taylor Employment history - Your employer doesn't want to here about your time running the squadron bar, make it key to the job your going for, so say your going for psd team medic , put down if you was the platoon team medic for your tour of kosovo and what types of medic cases you treated. And always put down for security purposes certain details I cannot divulge due to the Official Secrets Act... it shows loyalty to your word, remember you promised to keep your gob shut for queen and country.
4. Keep to two pages max, no-one wants to read war and peace!
5. Take the time to make it presentable including during postage, i.e use and a4 envelope, print a postage label and get the stamp put on square.
After all of this if you still don't suceed, call and ask for feedback (most companies don't have much time for this but any feedback is a good starting point for the next application)
Each application needs you to review and rewrite your CV, not to lie but to taylor it to the prospective employers needs by sticking to a few simple rules.
1. Never lie about yourself in your personal profile - it can only ever bite you in the arse, so if you was a grunt in rifle company say so instead of a recce sniper because if your caught out you'll only prove your not the guy they want watching their arse.
2. Taylor your qualifications to suit the role - I don't mean make them up, firstly put down the certificate you have and i don't mean the TP's one (i.e IPAT, CEER , VIPER...) I mean FPoS (I), HPC Para, RGN ect. Secondly, if your a paramedic going for a fpos (i) placement and have bothfpos(i) and hpc paramedic don't put down your paramedic qual being over qualified can be detrimental too, and equally if your going for a medic role and have mimms as well as paramedic put it down and show them you can manage and medic team with multiple casualties. Equally if you working towards a relevent qualification like a degree put it down with (in progress) in brackets next to it.
3. Taylor Employment history - Your employer doesn't want to here about your time running the squadron bar, make it key to the job your going for, so say your going for psd team medic , put down if you was the platoon team medic for your tour of kosovo and what types of medic cases you treated. And always put down for security purposes certain details I cannot divulge due to the Official Secrets Act... it shows loyalty to your word, remember you promised to keep your gob shut for queen and country.
4. Keep to two pages max, no-one wants to read war and peace!
5. Take the time to make it presentable including during postage, i.e use and a4 envelope, print a postage label and get the stamp put on square.
After all of this if you still don't suceed, call and ask for feedback (most companies don't have much time for this but any feedback is a good starting point for the next application)
One way to do it is to have two sections on the CV - professional qualifications and traing/qualifications. I put registered qualifications in one, and training courses & instructor qualifications in the other. That way it can been seen at a glance my level of practice and particular areas of training/interest.
Some of the problems come when people start to belive their own stories and hype, and don't realise that just because they call themselves "remote site paramedic", other people will still regard them as someone with an FPOSi who needs a reality check.
Some of the problems come when people start to belive their own stories and hype, and don't realise that just because they call themselves "remote site paramedic", other people will still regard them as someone with an FPOSi who needs a reality check.
All too true.......... & some TP's are to blame as well. Ticking boxes, or using their mates to teach isnt always the best way to give 'medics/FPOSi' the right information or skill set to go into/onto the circuit. Try getting work just in the teaching world of medicine!! HA! regardless of how much experience you have, or teaching time, if you aint in the 'know'..... forget it!! 2nd class teaching= 2nd class medics.
jim24716860
New Member
well said, there are too many 'walter mitty's ' out there.
i am an IHCD state registered paramedic instructor/Emergency driving instructor/ex infanrty and based at a NHS ambulance college for 6 years to which i still have an active role in assessing and training.
i personally do not recognise any individual to teach any type of medic course e.g. FPOS unless they have at least:
1. minimum IHCD paramedic qualification with at least 3 years post qualification operational experience and a proven track record on CPD.
2. extensive knowledge on all operational procedures
3. there are lots of 'medics' that once qualified hardy touch a patient and can what we call in the profession 'talk a good job and bullshit baffles brains'
4. this may sound less important but i teach' court procedures' this helps and prepares the 'medic' to justify their actions in a court of law etc
there are many other issues i can mention however overall extensively we need to root out those pamphlet types and give clients what they really need ........... good reputable experience
j
i am an IHCD state registered paramedic instructor/Emergency driving instructor/ex infanrty and based at a NHS ambulance college for 6 years to which i still have an active role in assessing and training.
i personally do not recognise any individual to teach any type of medic course e.g. FPOS unless they have at least:
1. minimum IHCD paramedic qualification with at least 3 years post qualification operational experience and a proven track record on CPD.
2. extensive knowledge on all operational procedures
3. there are lots of 'medics' that once qualified hardy touch a patient and can what we call in the profession 'talk a good job and bullshit baffles brains'
4. this may sound less important but i teach' court procedures' this helps and prepares the 'medic' to justify their actions in a court of law etc
there are many other issues i can mention however overall extensively we need to root out those pamphlet types and give clients what they really need ........... good reputable experience
j