Michael kurh

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Was browsing through youtube for footage of michael kurh and found out he does the doors. For those of you that don't know Michael Kurh is a heavily decorated kickboxing champion.
Check this [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfetF1jCO4"]YouTube - Bouncer (kickbox world champion) vs loudmouth - Vol. 01[/ame] :)
 
I'd have preferred to have seen Michael put the guy on his ar-e, doubt if he'd forget that night in a hurry!!!, just shows the rest of the world the numpty's we have to deal with night after night, and the never ending abuse...aaaarrrgggghhhhh....kato
 
To all you new doorlads (and lasses) out there who think they have to be full of steroids, and want to know how to batter someone within an inch of their lives, just to do the job....

TAKE NOTE.

Notice how Michael's voice didn't even get raised. He took the subject AWAY from the other Doormen (although still within reach if it did get nasty), as to not let the guy feel intimidated by being surrounded by them, and he calmly defused the situation. Granted, he had an angle of "calling the brother", but notice the phrase he used on more than one occasion.. "with that behaviour, you'll not get in ANY club...."

I think this is an example of how to do it guys and gals.

Softly Softly should always be the approach if possible. Talk your subject down, calm them down, and leave it with a handshake. That way, there is less likelihood of them coming back later with a few friends, a few broken bottles, and a vendetta.

And the next time they're in the club? They'll have a bit of respect for the Door Staff, rather than glaring at them because of an unnecessary beating. And this counts if they happen to be passing each other during the day at the local shops.... which happens more often than you'd realise too....

Lesson learned by all methinks. And from my experience, probably a few experienced "Door Sup's" can learn from this also.

Stay safe people.

DS.

PS - I still cringe when people call them/us "bouncers".......
 
Budgie said:
Couldn't agree more. If only more door steward's could resolve confrontation on the door like this.
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nicely handled, a good talk down, calm, direct and informative.
But, The resolution was finally secured by the element of fear,
Yes he reasoned with the pratt, and didn't antagonise,
but the guy was stilling looking to roll in the dust, as he thought he was capable. I have found a lot of gym bunnies on steriods have that look, mistaking bulk for ability or skill.
When he recognised Kurh, you could see the fear strike and the bravado drain, from his face,
I had half expected pratt boy to say ''you don't know who my brother is''. You don't know who your dealing with. A lot of pratts have amnesia.
But Khur beat him to the shot.
As demonstrated; Politeness, calm, reason and empathy all have their place, a good fine place to start.
but where the shadow of fear, justice or retribution is missing,
well on some occasions they view you as a toothless hound,
Khur didn't hint at violence, he didn't have to, because his training and more importantly his ability, gave him the confidence to project his resolve, to draw a line in the sand, and say enough now and by the way this won't work else where.
Words are just not enough, you need skills and strength of character to back them up. (size isn't everything.)
They say the eyes are a window on the soul, if you don't possess the ability to deal with the problem in whatever way is necessary, it will show,and you will know, and you can't hide that.
if your that good with fronting it and words, with nothing to back it up, and it doesn't show, well take up poker, because you are a great faker.
Training and preparation will support and bolster the mental resolve you will need to deal with most problems.
I also find 'The Kung Fuey Angry Chicken Kung Pow Stance' usually works,
Whilst they're peeing themselves laughing, you bundle them into a rapists cab, and off they go. Bye, bye and don't forget the KY.
 
Oddjob said:
They say the eyes are a window on the soul, if you don't possess the ability to deal with the problem in whatever way is necessary, it will show,and you will know, and you can't hide that.
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Dear all, as you may know, I hae been doing the doors for QUITE a while now.
I have never backed down to anyone ever (which sometimes makes me appear a bit of a **** but i have felt it important.

Just wanted to share this....

I was running a door sups course at a college, and was being assisted by my PI instructor who has recently joined the forum. He was talking about this while I was being a guinea pig for him at the front of the lecture theatre.

He talked about looking in to someone's soul...NOT staring them out, but looking in to their soul. (he took a lot more time than I have just done to explain it, and I could not begin to do his explanation any justice)
He then turned to demonstrate what he meant and looked right through me.
His stare lasted about 3 seconds before i felt compelled to turn away and back down...for the first time in 16 years!!!!

Surreal experience.
I dont know how he did it or why it appeared SO disconcerting, but trust me, it WAS disconcerting.

This post may make me look like a woose, and if thats what ya think, then fairy nuff, but just wanted to mention it to you all.

IMO it just goes to show that someone with real dedication and commitment to their training (martial arts in this case) can REALLY make a difference to their appearance in front of us.

Budgie; I don't know this KURH chap, but it looks like he is a small guy - would he be about the same size as mr Boog?

The PI Instructor is a small guy - 9.5 stone, polite, articulate, level headed.... and I'm just glad he's on the good guys side!!
 
Oddjob said:
nicely handled, a good talk down, calm, direct and informative.
But, The resolution was finally secured by the element of fear.
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I probably wouldn't say that the situation was handled by the instilation of fear. More out of respect of who Kurh is and what he is capable of.
Most people know that if they are cheecky and disrespectful to a bouncer these days. they aren't going to get dragged into the cloakroom and have seven shades of s**t belted out them. So feel that they can get away with a lot more.
In my short space of time working the doors. I've found that by showing respect and commanding respect, you get far better results. People generally are much less inclined to roll about on the ground if they know that they are going to come off worse. Either because they have heard about, or seen your 'Ability or Skill'-Quote mr oddjob.:)
 
He was't afraid of Kuhr... he was afraid because Kuhr knows his brother and of what his brother might do to him upon learning that he shamed the family name.
 
Budgie said:
I probably wouldn't say that the situation was handled by the instilation of fear. More out of respect of who Kurh is and what he is capable of.
Most people know that if they are cheecky and disrespectful to a bouncer these days. they aren't going to get dragged into the cloakroom and have seven shades of s**t belted out them. So feel that they can get away with a lot more.
In my short space of time working the doors. I've found that by showing respect and commanding respect, you get far better results. People generally are much less inclined to roll about on the ground if they know that they are going to come off worse. Either because they have heard about, or seen your 'Ability or Skill'-Quote mr oddjob.:)
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I've been around a long, long time and I have never took anyone into a cloakroom to beat seven shades of cack out of them, and I can't think of another doorman that I have known in 30 years do this. bad, bad Legend.
But the fear of, or respect of the modern DS is slipping, I figure you're a confident capable DS; and it is this inate ability, developed and honed that will see you through.
Your self belief in all your abilities and skills, will be portrayed in your demeanour and attitude.
Keep safe, and we never stop learning.
Hence no one can ever be the best, we just keep trying to get better.
 
Oddjob said:
, I figure you're a confident capable DS; and it is this inate ability, developed and honed that will see you through.
Your self belief in all your abilities and skills, will be portrayed in your demeanour and attitude.
Keep safe, and we never stop learning.
Hence no one can ever be the best, we just keep trying to get better.
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Budgie, FYI I agree with oddjob, and seeing as i work with you, I would just like to say that your development IS coming on nicely.
Take the time to look at your work this weekend, and think to yourself - what did i do well, what did i do differently to the way i would have when i started?

The reason i posted this on here rather than just telling budgie when i speak to him in about an hour is to reiterate to all that self development, staff development etc is completely achievable if you know where your strengths and weaknesses lie.

What are you good at... and how?
What needs work...and how?

Ask someone who has been working the doors for years how they handle a situation and they probably wont be able to explain - they will normally say "i just did it - i have been in this game for years" or words to that effect.
BUT when it comes to junior staff, their every move is often analysed.

In order to keep learning, we need to keep analysing what we do and how we do it.

I was training an older boy recently - nearly 60.
He bragged about having over 30 years experience and seein as I am only 32 what could i teach him??
I suggested (and then proved through the training) that he may have been doing his job for over 30 years but in fact he probably only had one year's experience....multiplied by thirty, as he was still employing tactics that went out the window A LONG time ago.
At the end of the training, he agreed with my theory, and thanked me for the training, and for bringing him back in to line.

Might go start a thread on the training forum now....
Bye fur noo
Clyde
 
Also for the record, I have witnessed doormen in Dumfries take a guy in the back and beat the 7 shades outta him, it happens. In thier defence the guy wasd a woman beater that went on to possibly blind one of the doormen that interjected in an orderly manner.

On the subject of the michael kuhr vid. I knew nothing of this guy except this video until now.

Q. Could he have bingoed that bloke
A. Yes

Q. Why didnt he, with such an aggressive person
A. He a good doorman.

And on that subject, in my opinion he spotted him for what he was straight away.... an antagonist. He moved him away from the other guys, held his posture perfectly and proceeded to talk him down. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that regardless of the brother, or legend status he would have resolved it non-violently.
Why? Because he pegged the bloke from the start.
He was the type that like to have you make the first move, then, win lose or draw, his actions are justified(to him)
Michael Kuhr, to me is a legend as a doorman after that performance. I will check out his other legend status with interest. Seems like a True follower of the way, to me.
Also, aknowledgment to sparky whose comments i basically echoed.

Regards,
Douglas
 
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Oddjob said:
I've been around a long, long time and I have never took anyone into a cloakroom to beat seven shades of cack out of them, and I can't think of another doorman that I have known in 30 years do this. bad, bad Legend.
But the fear of, or respect of the modern DS is slipping, I figure you're a confident capable DS; and it is this inate ability, developed and honed that will see you through.
Your self belief in all your abilities and skills, will be portrayed in your demeanour and attitude.
Keep safe, and we never stop learning.
Hence no one can ever be the best, we just keep trying to get better.
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That was probably a bad example on my part, sorry.
Thanks for the kind words.
 
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