Police attempt to "restore public trust?"

Well

1000 cameras for £1.6 million

That's £1600 each, I'll supply and commission everything needed where do I get the tender documents.

If they want people to trust them the cost needs to be well documented and an open book policy showing where this money goes.

Regards

premier


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premier said:
Well

1000 cameras for £1.6 million

That's £1600 each, I'll supply and commission everything needed where do I get the tender documents.

If they want people to trust them the cost needs to be well documented and an open book policy showing where this money goes.

Regards

premier


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1) Me too !

2) Trying to get a foot in the door of something like this, with anything 'new' is almost impossible. They're already well aware of the type of kit from Lawmate / DogCam, (call it a round £500), and it doesn't even get close to what they need to do. There's plenty of decent'ish bodyworn kit for lots less but they won't touch it with a bargepole. All of their stuff will have to be recorded in a secure, encrypted format, in the event that some idiot loses his camera / recorder, the material can't be accessed by the 'unauthorised'. Just setting up the hardware and admin procedures to download the recorded material at the end of the shift, log and archive will take hours of manpower every week, and that's even before they've actually needed to access any of it.

I've just been chasing a similar tender for small police team in EU, and the only stuff that came close, was over £900 nett per kit, (and it was still pretty horrible kit), with yearly software user licence of around £1k.

The biggest cost isn't the hardware. It's the indexing / archiving and administration of the recorded material, ie: Back Office Software, all of which, courtesy of the way their admin works, costs an absolute bloody fortune.

Plod always pays massively over the odds for their hardware. They've spent years putting 'Framework Agreements' in place with their 'preferred' suppliers, to ensure they get the 'best possible price / specification', for their requirements.

Which is why they pay around £2000.00 for what's a pretty basic HDDVR, and in the region of £15000.00 for a short range, low power, microwave link.

V :(
 
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I'm sure the ones my local force responce cops wear were on sale on mighty deals by about £12.00 - cheap as chips.

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The network is the issues, uploading/burning relevant footage is where alot of the hardware costs will come in as each 'station' will need that facility.

They've also added a holder/charger in the patrol cars so footage can be obtained and used for driving offences if necessary.

These items are an excellent tool to help protect officers from complaints and to help show magistrates exactly the type of people they deal with day to day
 
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Gareth, never one to let the facts get in the way of a good tale! Please identify where the article states that 3 cameras will cost £1.6m?

The cost isn't even for 1000 cameras as it's for the entire project management budget which will include the feasibility study, the trial period, changes in policy, training etc, etc, etc

It still surprises me that some individuals are so quick to criticise and offer armchair decisions and yet baulk at some of the costs involved. Off the top of my head the met has 30,000+ officers and so of course a project of this magnitude is going to cost some money. And, yes I have read the article and realise that this is only for 1000 cameras. However, the stakeholders in a project this size is vast...from politicians, to NPIA, CPS and the CJS. In addition there are almost 1000 DPG officers alone and so, I am assuming, that these cameras will be shared amongst operational firearms officers; this means 1000 cameras but a whole lot more training!

In short Gareth you'll find a whole lot of serving and ex-Police amongst the members of CPWorld and, although I can only speak for myself, I would assume that I am not alone in not giving a flying f**k about what your opinions are of the Police, I couldn't care less what your CRO number is and I also don't want to hear about how those bully boys in black took away your SIA license because you were stitched up!
 
In addition Gareth, I have just been on your profile to see what gives you such authority on Police matters. I found the comment "gareth has not made any friends yet" rather unsurprising!
 
bppete,

Love the passion of you post pal!

I can only speak for myself buddy, but I am well aware of the breakdown of costs for implementing a project of this magnitude, it doesn't change the fact they will be over charged for kit that is readily available from suppliers not on the coveted approved suppliers list!
The tender process it what is wrong and with regards to training, yes there will be training needs but not to the scale people will think, back office work load will see an increase of course, but I'm sure either V or myself would have delivered kit to this spec or greater and still managed to make a respectable little profit.

Regards

premier


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premier said:
bppete,

Love the passion of you post pal!

I can only speak for myself buddy, but I am well aware of the breakdown of costs for implementing a project of this magnitude, it doesn't change the fact they will be over charged for kit that is readily available from suppliers not on the coveted approved suppliers list!
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Commonly known as the "Good ol boy network"......I see it's the same everywhere.
 
Metropolitan Police announces £1.6m trial of wearing cameras: Commanders hope footage will help restore trust in force
First of three cameras to be trialled will hit London's streets in April


BTW I'm well aware of the coppers on here and it's just the way some things go.
The old adage "never trust a copper" has never been truer but then again you'd never hear it said to your face would you?
It's exactly the same for the RMP (sorry CM you know it's true).
Anyhoo- back to the train set for me.
 
Jesus only had 13 disciples and one of them was bent.
Do not tar the whole police service with a few and i mean few bad ones. Good job us ex coppers didnt think the whole army and services were cold bloodied killers after the marine incident.

FBG
 
Top two reasons people hate cops...

1) They, or someone they know, have been stitched up for something they got caught doing wrong and felt otherwise (which happens all the time).

2) They actually got screwed by a dirty cop.

I would guess that 99% of the time #1 on the list is the case. There are bad cops because cops are human. There's bad in every proffession and like FBG stated, even Jesus was betrayed. So, anyone who thinks cops are supposed to be desciple-like well, I guess the bar is set pretty high but no-one is perfect. If someone wants to hold us to that standard then I would suggest they hold themselves to the same standard. If they did we probably wouldn't need cops.

As far as the police in the UK trying to restore faith in their force....I'm not sure what the end game is here. You can never please everyone even if you're Jesus. ;) I say do your job to the best of your ability and if you intentionally do wrong then you should pay the price. Simples. Don't worry about someone calling you 'Filth" because you'll never change their mind. They will, however, be the first to call the cops when they need one. That alone is ironic.
 
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Gareth...when you state...'The old adage "never trust a copper" has never been truer'.....since when was this a 'old adage'....I've never heard it said in my entire life, but then again I suppose it depends where you're from and who you mix with...me...I tend to mix with law abiding people, who, may I add, appear to trust the Police. I also see that you've extended the scope of people your insulting to now include RMP...who is next on your list...Social Workers, Teachers, Army Officers, Doctors, Solicitors...just trying to help you out and make a list of other professions that carry some authority and who you may have had contact with over the years.
 
fbg said:
Jesus only had 13 disciples and one of them was bent.
Do not tar the whole police service with a few and i mean few bad ones. Good job us ex coppers didnt think the whole army and services were cold bloodied killers after the marine incident.

FBG
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Chuckle.... depends where you served... :)

CD
 
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The one that started the thread.....not you Carl lol
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Oh Right! sorry... I see, difficult sometimes with these posts to work out where the emphasis on each comment lay! however, I'm not the brightest individual in the class...

CD :)
 
fbg said:
I do hope this muppet is not in the security industry.


fbg
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A lot of people held their breath on that one I guess.

There are many communities that need to 'restore public trust'.
You don't get a bad name by having it picked out of a hat, you'll find.

Trust i have always found is a two way street.
all sides need to address their internal problems first, and take responsibility for how they are perceived.
 
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