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I am always very suspicious when new companies firsts posts is we recruit..
A company that need operatives surely must have a few good CVs on hand and shouldent have to advertise for it..
I guess there is more to this? must train with you? many companies do trick people about work but only if you train with them..and found out later youre not what they look for nor is there any work.
Remember youre in a forum of highly skilled operators and company owners that been around for years.
That posts is a desperate lie to get students for courses! Nothing else
Youre advertising for potential contracts, and need students I suggest you come back when you secured them or offer the trained with reduced 1 monthly salary like anyone serious would have done, this screams scam in my eyes!
Hawk
A company that need operatives surely must have a few good CVs on hand and shouldent have to advertise for it..
I guess there is more to this? must train with you? many companies do trick people about work but only if you train with them..and found out later youre not what they look for nor is there any work.
Remember youre in a forum of highly skilled operators and company owners that been around for years.
That posts is a desperate lie to get students for courses! Nothing else
Youre advertising for potential contracts, and need students I suggest you come back when you secured them or offer the trained with reduced 1 monthly salary like anyone serious would have done, this screams scam in my eyes!
Hawk
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Unfortunately you will find out it only in last moment.Some companies -thieves are good enough to mask their activities .But if company asks you for money -then you must think very well,because normally company hires you for free and pays salary to you,not on contrary.
Fellas
I understand your comments and your cynicism but would say that if you read the full advert we are asking for experienced people AND only peolpe that have already got the SSO/CSO qual.
We are trying to repay those who have ALREADY done the courses with EOS NOT repeat NOT drum up new candidates. We are not saying other courses are not up to standard just simply that we know the standard of ours. Also, if these contracts come off we will need experienced and already trained people not on the job training/newly qualified people. We know for a fact that a high number of ex EOS trainees are currently/have worked on ops for us and a number of the high volume companies out there so we know our former trainees are trained to a standard and will be experienced operationally.
On the new company thing, we have been recruiting, training & operational since 2006. Thats before the GOA etc went ape!
On the honesty/deception thing. As I said, I can understand your comments to a point but dont judge all others by the standards of a few or because you have had a bad personal experience.
I personally am an experienced operator myself and still go on ops whenever I can. I am also professional and have the highest integrity. If someone wants to train with us but isnt right for the market or hasnt got the right background etc I tell them not to waste their hard earned. I want to work in a sector of professionals that reflect MY professionalism. There are enough walters, B.S.ers and prima donas out there without me adding to the list.
Anyone want to PM me and continue the bunfight go ahead.
Thanks for reading
I understand your comments and your cynicism but would say that if you read the full advert we are asking for experienced people AND only peolpe that have already got the SSO/CSO qual.
We are trying to repay those who have ALREADY done the courses with EOS NOT repeat NOT drum up new candidates. We are not saying other courses are not up to standard just simply that we know the standard of ours. Also, if these contracts come off we will need experienced and already trained people not on the job training/newly qualified people. We know for a fact that a high number of ex EOS trainees are currently/have worked on ops for us and a number of the high volume companies out there so we know our former trainees are trained to a standard and will be experienced operationally.
On the new company thing, we have been recruiting, training & operational since 2006. Thats before the GOA etc went ape!
On the honesty/deception thing. As I said, I can understand your comments to a point but dont judge all others by the standards of a few or because you have had a bad personal experience.
I personally am an experienced operator myself and still go on ops whenever I can. I am also professional and have the highest integrity. If someone wants to train with us but isnt right for the market or hasnt got the right background etc I tell them not to waste their hard earned. I want to work in a sector of professionals that reflect MY professionalism. There are enough walters, B.S.ers and prima donas out there without me adding to the list.
Anyone want to PM me and continue the bunfight go ahead.
Thanks for reading
Well surely you must have lists about who you trained and should update them and not putting this on here on CPW since for all of us its bullshit radar warning on this big time!
So I suggest you contact your graduates then since they (only fit your requirements)
Asking for CVs when not secured any contracts does say alot..and that you only accept trained graduates by your firm this job post should not been made public, but directed directly to your previous graduates.
Im sorry but you might fool others...here
Hawk
So I suggest you contact your graduates then since they (only fit your requirements)
Asking for CVs when not secured any contracts does say alot..and that you only accept trained graduates by your firm this job post should not been made public, but directed directly to your previous graduates.
Im sorry but you might fool others...here
Hawk
Hawk
we do have a list (over 200!) but I thought this would be an efficient way of contacting them instead of picking through my email address book one by one.
I obviously should have made life hard for myself by trying to help others out with emplyment, how stupid I have been!
Smells like sour grapes to me! Oh, and I obviously couldnt fool someone as astute and intelligent as you
we do have a list (over 200!) but I thought this would be an efficient way of contacting them instead of picking through my email address book one by one.
I obviously should have made life hard for myself by trying to help others out with emplyment, how stupid I have been!
Smells like sour grapes to me! Oh, and I obviously couldnt fool someone as astute and intelligent as you
Well, with your job posts that only accept your own graduates it does come very good in hand with your website since youre advertising for a Maritime TRAINER to deliver SSO courses on it! ..and its nothing shown there shown about not accepting any other training only SSO training, so excuse me for smelling the thruth!
And thanks I do feel I have my head attached on my shoulders
Hawk
And thanks I do feel I have my head attached on my shoulders
Hawk
Sanddancer
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Hawk
You are right about the website not YET advertising re: operatives, but I refer to my previous answer about trying to make it simple and reach as many people at first and as quickly as poss as I know many experienced guys use this forum. Again silly me for trying to be efficient with my time.
I suggest you take a chill pill and lie down in a dark room for a bit mate
You are right about the website not YET advertising re: operatives, but I refer to my previous answer about trying to make it simple and reach as many people at first and as quickly as poss as I know many experienced guys use this forum. Again silly me for trying to be efficient with my time.
I suggest you take a chill pill and lie down in a dark room for a bit mate
Soooo, you do take people who has the SSO&CSO from some other company?
There should be not too many variations of the referred course as it is based on IMO module, ISPS and SOLAS chapter XI-2. This is a Worldwide Standard.
I have done my training in Florida with an academy that trains mainly USCG personnel.
Would that do?
There should be not too many variations of the referred course as it is based on IMO module, ISPS and SOLAS chapter XI-2. This is a Worldwide Standard.
I have done my training in Florida with an academy that trains mainly USCG personnel.
Would that do?
Sanddancer
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Kurt
As I said we are initially looking at those who have done the EOS course as I know that course goes beyond the ISPS and covers a lot of anti piracy (from the operators point of view) and what measures/plans/fortifications are used and for the repaying reasons etc.
If you think your quals & experience fulfil the asked for criteria (or near as damn it) send your CV mate with the other stuff requested if you're comfortable with that but obviously cant promise anything at this stage.
Cheers
As I said we are initially looking at those who have done the EOS course as I know that course goes beyond the ISPS and covers a lot of anti piracy (from the operators point of view) and what measures/plans/fortifications are used and for the repaying reasons etc.
If you think your quals & experience fulfil the asked for criteria (or near as damn it) send your CV mate with the other stuff requested if you're comfortable with that but obviously cant promise anything at this stage.
Cheers
Eosrisk, there is no real point in being 'sarky' towards Hawk, he does have some valid points....I am not that astute and intelligent but admitting on here, a public forum that your Post was more efficient than 'picking through your email address book one by one' is, in my view, maybe, a little, simplistic. Some of us on here have been 'around the block' and are by our very nature, suspicious. I am not suggesting that you are anything other than on the level and trying to assist people to get Employment, but in your situation you should understand that there are always 2 sides in a discussion. Good luck with your quest.
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No point in running you will just die tired.Better to stay and fight on the ground that you hold.
This will be my last post on this matter. Thanks to all who have PM'd and I hope this will clarify things.
We have trained some excellent blokes who have worked with us in the past and with other reputable companies. We know them to a degree and the level of their expertise having interacted with them over the 3-4 days of training and ops they have done for us. We are expecting (but nowt is defo in life) an upturn in calls for our services soon. With that in mind we were initially looking to renew contact with those guys. If we did not get the right response of course we would have gone to the next stage of speaking to people who have the necessary experience and done courses with companies who have a similarly good rep for the quality of their courses.
This is the first time I have posted on this forum to advertise jobs. I thought it the best site and the best way to do that for the reasons given.
I was wrong. Lesson learnt and never to be repeated.
Regarding sarky comments etc. I was trying to assist quality forum members to get work in a quick and efficient manner. Wrong again. And then to be openly called a scammer and theif, well, I surprised myself I limited my response to the odd sarky comment!!
I was also trying to repay some of the quality guys who have trained with us and spent their hard earned on a quality course who have worked with us in the past and other quality companies. Again a mistake.
Just a last few words from someone who has made these mistakes and has been proved wrong. Look before you leep!
We have trained some excellent blokes who have worked with us in the past and with other reputable companies. We know them to a degree and the level of their expertise having interacted with them over the 3-4 days of training and ops they have done for us. We are expecting (but nowt is defo in life) an upturn in calls for our services soon. With that in mind we were initially looking to renew contact with those guys. If we did not get the right response of course we would have gone to the next stage of speaking to people who have the necessary experience and done courses with companies who have a similarly good rep for the quality of their courses.
This is the first time I have posted on this forum to advertise jobs. I thought it the best site and the best way to do that for the reasons given.
I was wrong. Lesson learnt and never to be repeated.
Regarding sarky comments etc. I was trying to assist quality forum members to get work in a quick and efficient manner. Wrong again. And then to be openly called a scammer and theif, well, I surprised myself I limited my response to the odd sarky comment!!
I was also trying to repay some of the quality guys who have trained with us and spent their hard earned on a quality course who have worked with us in the past and other quality companies. Again a mistake.
Just a last few words from someone who has made these mistakes and has been proved wrong. Look before you leep!
Mate if you have been operating out in the GOA since well before it got noisy, as you put it, which would be oh say at the very least 5 years ago, then you'd have a good solid secure database from which to work from yeah?
Why would you post the requirements that you're looking to employ only guys who have done YOUR SSO/CSO course here on this forum, it's an open advertisement that has had people asking questions about legitimacy of said post(er) You already stated that this was easier than going through loads of emails, surely your database has emails and contact details all on one spreadsheet, that's basic admin stuff my man, a record of all the guys who have done your course wouldn't be found here in this section of CP World, what other Security Sites have you advertised on besides here
because if you're trying to reach out for your guys first, then you'd have advertised on several other forums not just this one...
The initial post is misleading, it's implies there's potential work for ALLCON not primarily graduates of your courses mate.......now can you see why people are wary ?
Why would you post the requirements that you're looking to employ only guys who have done YOUR SSO/CSO course here on this forum, it's an open advertisement that has had people asking questions about legitimacy of said post(er) You already stated that this was easier than going through loads of emails, surely your database has emails and contact details all on one spreadsheet, that's basic admin stuff my man, a record of all the guys who have done your course wouldn't be found here in this section of CP World, what other Security Sites have you advertised on besides here
because if you're trying to reach out for your guys first, then you'd have advertised on several other forums not just this one...The initial post is misleading, it's implies there's potential work for ALLCON not primarily graduates of your courses mate.......now can you see why people are wary ?
1stLtSvensson
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1st I would like to give thanks to all you guys that have senior exp in the murky world of SSO and PSD, it enlightens me plus gives me a heads up to see alarm signs. Since I'm trying to get into this industry all your inputs are valid and sound even though I don't always agree in every subject. I, and I'm sure many others, are thankful that you do take the time and rise questions. Please continue doing so!!
Regarding this subject as Argyll and other experienced operatives have said, there are a few things that makes it questionable even though your intents are or may be good. I believe you dug your own hole from the start.
Regarding this subject as Argyll and other experienced operatives have said, there are a few things that makes it questionable even though your intents are or may be good. I believe you dug your own hole from the start.
An observation here.
It was'nt long ago that a job was cut and pasted from the Eos website and every man and his dog was thanking the poster. Do Drum not favour employing guys who have done their course? I think so, Do PVI favour employing ex marines over other capbadges? Yes, I think so.
No point getting bent out of shape about it. If you don't want to send your cv, then don't. I note a distinct lack of actual employers using this forum for recruitment needs. Everytime one shows its head, the flak guns are out.
Yet people get praised for posting jobs, cut and pasted from other sources.
As EOS has said, its prob the last time he'll use this resource for recruiting. All because of a few keyboard warriors, slating an opportunity.
Would you slate PVI for their recruitment of ex marines. Or how about BR, who favour ex para's? Its beggars belief that anyone who comes on this, unless you're in the clique, gets slated.
There are an obscene amount of mods on this site, why does'nt one of them check them out. Look into their history and their background, then satissfy the rest, before a decent company gets a slating.
Oh well,
It was'nt long ago that a job was cut and pasted from the Eos website and every man and his dog was thanking the poster. Do Drum not favour employing guys who have done their course? I think so, Do PVI favour employing ex marines over other capbadges? Yes, I think so.
No point getting bent out of shape about it. If you don't want to send your cv, then don't. I note a distinct lack of actual employers using this forum for recruitment needs. Everytime one shows its head, the flak guns are out.
Yet people get praised for posting jobs, cut and pasted from other sources.
As EOS has said, its prob the last time he'll use this resource for recruiting. All because of a few keyboard warriors, slating an opportunity.
Would you slate PVI for their recruitment of ex marines. Or how about BR, who favour ex para's? Its beggars belief that anyone who comes on this, unless you're in the clique, gets slated.
There are an obscene amount of mods on this site, why does'nt one of them check them out. Look into their history and their background, then satissfy the rest, before a decent company gets a slating.
Oh well,
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