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specialistk9

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Im confused, wrote to the sia to confirm about licensing, and this is the reply i got:-
I did say that i would be providing GP/AES/EDD/NDD.

SO TO TRY AND GET UN-CONFUSED I RANG THEM, THE GUY IN LEGAL DEPT TOLD ME THAT DOG HANDLING IS A VERY GREY AREA FOR ENFORCEMENT................... WHAT THE F**k does that mean.

Thank you for your email. If your organisation carried out security guarding activities then you would require a licence and you would be eligible to apply for the ACS. If you are only providing dogs and handlers without carrying out security guarding activities than you would not be eligible to apply for the ACS.

Kind Regards

Amrik Kandola
ACS Accreditation Officer
Approved Contractor Scheme
Security Industry Authority
PO Box 49768
LONDON WC1V 6WY

Phone: 020 7025 4126

Fax: 020 7025 4101
 
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specialistk9 said:
I did say that i would be providing GP/AES/EDD/NDD
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I think what they are saying(although who really can tell:)) is that if you are soley supplying dogs for an activity where the handler is not carrying out an SIA licenceable role then you cannot apply to have SIA approved status as it is nothing to do with them.

However if you are supplying for licenceable roles then you can apply for ACS. You can still supply for non licenceable roles but imagine they would not like you using any of the SIA bits in advertising.

Hope that helps????
 
Do you just supply dogs or supply a dog + handler service? If a GP dog is supplied with an SG licensed handler then you should be eligable as you are providing a Security Guarding service in the traditional sense with the licensed guard. I would re apply and drop the mention of dogs, if you supply SG which is a licensable role then you should be able to apply, the fact the guards have dogs is neither here nor there.
 
I thought that because i supply g/p dog teams i should get ACS scheme, i told them this in email and on phone, thats why im confused, they say i dont need acs, we have sia licenses, and want acs as most potential clients ask if we are acs approved.

we only provide dog teams, not security guards i told them that as well............
 
specialistk9 said:
we only provide dog teams, not security guards i told them that as well............
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OK, firstly you need to get out of the habit of saying we only supply dog teams. If they're performing a security function, then it's a licensed activity. Remove the dog from the equation, it has no bearing.
 
specialistk9 said:
we only provide dog teams, not security guards i told them that as well............
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Have you and your staff got other jobs as well? If not then why have you got SIA licences????????????????

My Aunt provides dog teams as well and has even appeared on "One man and his Dog" and a few ITV shows but since she does not provide an SIA licenceable activity I don't think she would be eligible for ACS either:)

But if she used her dogs as a deterrent on a building site or as drug searching at a festival then I suspect she would need to do an SIA course and could consider going for ACS.

However I have recommended a drug detection dog to an owner of a 30m "Gin Palace" that gets charted to people who have varying habits, just to check on hand over that nothing has been left behind!!! This is not a licenceable activity but the company that supplies them are SIA licenced and have ACS.
 
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i have 4 staff, all handlers, gp/aes/ndd/edd according to sia manned guarding we have to be licensed for gp work, aes/edd, but not for drugs, dont come under sia because of the not protecting life, property etc.

decided to just fill in application and send off the 400 quid app fee and see what they come back with.
**** it
 
I wouldn't be too quick to accept the info you've been given about DD and i think you may have some crossed wires.

Where do your DD handlers intend working?
 
at mo nightclubs and pubs, wont get in at airports etc, police and customs have them tied up.

have put all our current and possible future works on app form, sent it today.

Have sent you a PM.
 
Ive always thought that all DHs need the min of DS

as i was told once by a DD and EDD team in old trafford as some people who dont like dogs ( muslims ) living in the uk become a problem when approached by a dog team so the handle has to have min of DS to solve the problem ( shit i know but thats what i was told )

DHs no matter what dog has to have min of DS ( now because of the PI bit)

Jyst saying ed
 
There is no statute of licence for dog handlers, it's all about arse covering. If you're performing a security function, even if that's in a pub or school, you need the minimum of SG licence. If you're asking a handler to be more than a handler in the pubs and clubs, common sense dictates a DS licence would be needed.

That said, when deploying with the police on a pub watch scheme, handlers only needed SG as when the dog indicates, the handler moves away and let's the DS carry out their duties.

Bottom line, will you be able to defend your position when stood in the dock?
 
rhea said:
Have you and your staff got other jobs as well? If not then why have you got SIA licences????????????????

My Aunt provides dog teams as well and has even appeared on "One man and his Dog" and a few ITV shows:)
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I can trump that, my dads the presenter, don't know if that a good or bad claim to fame

Derms
 
derms said:
I can trump that, my dads the presenter, don't know if that a good or bad claim to fame

Derms
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I bow to you. Does that mean you are Matt Bakers love child or is your dad a past presenter?

Don't tell ed or he will want him to get a DS licence:)
 
rhea said:
I bow to you. Does that mean you are Matt Bakers love child or is your dad a past presenter?

Don't tell ed or he will want him to get a DS licence:)
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DS is the best one to have when the shite hits the fan who gets the call DS lads lol feck the cps wannbees give me DS backgrounded lads everytime
Hey rhea

cheers ed pmsl
 
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