What cp course is recommended for uk,anubis,control risks,clear water

BigDog said:
and most of the above just isn't true. Yes, they do say they may employ 60% of the people they train, but the rest is plain wrong. I never saw anyone getting given the answers to any questions, and, from what I've read on this forum, Henry is held in some high regard, whilst Mr Horak isn't, that shouldn't bias someones opinion.
If you're planning to work the UK circuit, how much moving around in formations can you do before it gets boring? Now, having not done another course to balance my experience against, how can I comment? I was 23 years in the military and I can spot poor drills and piss poor training from a distance and I would've walked away. Half of the people on the course were experienced and working in CP, in Afghan and Iraq, and saw it as a quick way to get licensed, therein maybe the problem! However, I'm not going to book myself onto another course and possibly repeat everything I've been taught by Henry, just because, in someones opinion Clearwater is pants. I'm gonna trust my own ability and the contacts I've made to get a start.
I don't work for them and I'm not attempting to rock anyone's boat, I just say what I see. Having said that, I'd hate to think that there would be a prejudice because of the company that trained me. Military basic training is exactly that, the minimum to get you through, the rest you learn when you get to your unit.
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1) Henry is a nice guy without question. Top chap

2) Kevin, well not my place to comment but as the director of the training center his background and reputation is somewhat important.

3) You have to do formation and other drills it until its perfect. It has to be second nature. CP can be boring, the challenge of fighting of the sleep pixes and staying alert, thats the job!

4) I am simply stating that this is a course which does not in my opinion meet the minimum standard for getting on the ground in the uk market.

5) Yes there will be prejudice based on the company that trains you. some are respected within the industry some are not. Thats pretty much the same in any industry. That why picking the correct course is vital.

6) I totally agree its "who" you know in this industry which gets you work. however if you are applying fresh with no "ins" and the main selling point is the qualification you have received, its important that this is valued in the industry.

7) Promising work to students and then not delivery as per promise is just a very poor underhanded sales technique. This on its own should be enough to be concerned about the company.

Dont get me wrong they may now be delivering excellent courses. This could be the case. I doubt it however. Your not rocking the boat , all opinions are valid and welcome! Good luck with it all and I wish you the best of luck moving forward.

Best regards,
Mr Burns
 
I agree, that promising work to successful course participants is underhand, to say the least. I can't find any fault with the way my training went, remember it's the SIA and the awarding bodies that set the standards, not the trainers, so I couldn't see how doing an extra week or two weeks of foot and car drills is beneficial, especially when it's gonna cost you maybe another grand for the training.
No one asked who I did my first aid with (St John's) and the DVLA didn't ask who my driving instructor was, many moons ago. The way I see it, a pass is pass is a pass, as long as the requirements are met, as I said earlier, basic training is basic training, you learn to tweak and better your skills after you've passed out and reached your unit.
I think the problem is, that the course allows people to be qualified and in possession of a license within weeks. My license came this morning, that'll be a calender month since the course finished and 2 weeks after I sent my paperwork away. It's a means to and end for the people that already had jobs, but just needed to get licensed.
I wasn't in that catergory, but I'm no mug and I'm not about to get someone killed. Possibly my choice of provider could've been different, but, having done the course, I found it fit for task, maybe needs a bit of a tweak, and I stated in the after action report as much.
There were 16 people on my course, of which half already had contracts, of the other 8, I know 3 have found work and I'm commited to something else until the end of September, then I'll be ready to go.
Anyway, I'm putting this to bed as I have chores to do:rolleyes: before 0A gets back from work. Respect.
 
BigDog said:
I agree, that promising work to successful course participants is underhand, to say the least. I can't find any fault with the way my training went, remember it's the SIA and the awarding bodies that set the standards, not the trainers, so I couldn't see how doing an extra week or two weeks of foot and car drills is beneficial, especially when it's gonna cost you maybe another grand for the training.
No one asked who I did my first aid with (St John's) and the DVLA didn't ask who my driving instructor was, many moons ago. The way I see it, a pass is pass is a pass, as long as the requirements are met, as I said earlier, basic training is basic training, you learn to tweak and better your skills after you've passed out and reached your unit.
I think the problem is, that the course allows people to be qualified and in possession of a license within weeks. My license came this morning, that'll be a calender month since the course finished and 2 weeks after I sent my paperwork away. It's a means to and end for the people that already had jobs, but just needed to get licensed.
I wasn't in that catergory, but I'm no mug and I'm not about to get someone killed. Possibly my choice of provider could've been different, but, having done the course, I found it fit for task, maybe needs a bit of a tweak, and I stated in the after action report as much.
There were 16 people on my course, of which half already had contracts, of the other 8, I know 3 have found work and I'm commited to something else until the end of September, then I'll be ready to go.
Anyway, I'm putting this to bed as I have chores to do:rolleyes: before 0A gets back from work. Respect.
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I could not disagree more strongly with some of your statements. The sia core requirements are a disgrace. have a look round the forum for views on this subject. The bare minimum to qualify for the sia ticket is not enough to work in a commercial environment. Thats a very well known and understood FACT.

I can understand using a course as a "means to an end" when you have work already sorted out. However you cannot compare the Clearwater course with others.

The bodies and sia set the MINIMUM standards to get a ticket. However this is not the standard which will get you work within a uk enviroment unless you just need to ticket as we have covered above.

Yes more time on the theory, proper planning, really getting the drills tight as well. Yes thats worth the money because it puts you in a position to actually do the job.

The decent courses do not end the day at 5/5.30 pm for tea and then thats it for the night. The decent courses let you sleep when the work is done.


Best regards
Sam Burns
 
Can we please back off the slander people, we all have our own opinions on courses and trainers and the like but lets not get personal please
 
Scotti,

Your quote: i have done a national police CP course, but have used Argus for additional trg. I wouldn't go elsewhere. I don't know Peter personally, but ISS were Argus trained, that was before he branched out. So ISS leads back to Argus. End Quote.

Before you go quoting things on a public forum, I think that you need to do your homework and research correctly so that you can make an educated and well informed comment.

I have been involved in commercial surveillance since 1990. ISS have been carrying out surveillance training since 1999 (10 years), my instructors are former 14 Int, MI5 & RUC. Argus have been running courses for 2 years.

In 1998, I worked as a sub-contractor for Argus carrying out personal injury surveillance on and off for about 8 months - that was it. As I said, on and off for about 8 months as a sub contractor.

How you to come to the conclusion that I was 'trained by them' and 'branched out' I do not know.

Please get your facts right. It does not do the reputation of Brian and Nick at Argus any favours to make sly and off hand comments. It just smacks of un-professionalism.

If you want to discuss this, the office number is 01423 712265.

Peter Jenkins
ISS Training Ltd
 
Peter, if my info is wrong i wholeheartedly retract it. I will call you tomorrow to discuss. I believed the source to be accurate.

Scotti
 
Not sure how we've been slanderous during this debate, but I also apologise if it looks that way, as I said at the beginning, I'm not doing it to rock any boats.
 
jloveday said:
I was curious as to any ideas for CP courses to attend in the UK, I am 100% certain that i am going to attend ISS Covert Surveillance Course, i am just stuck with decisions for CP courses between ANUBIS,CONTROL RISKS (a company in good eyes within my battalion 2 Rifles as a family member to a lad here is involved with them) and Clearwater, i am looking to work UK,EUROPE,anywhere apart from the sandpit for a good bit of time as i am in Afghanistan as i write this in FOB INKERMAN HELMAND nearly at the end,
any help is greatly appreciated
kind regards and thanks in advance
jloveday
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If you want a course in the UK then I would advise you to speak to The NSC. I have done a course with them and it was excellent.
 
ok but at the end of this debate...what is the better course to do for a civilian like me?!i have 5 years experience without military past ...the training that can open more doors to me is?!thanks you to much!
 
isstraining said:
Scotti,

Your quote: i have done a national police CP course, but have used Argus for additional trg. I wouldn't go elsewhere. I don't know Peter personally, but ISS were Argus trained, that was before he branched out. So ISS leads back to Argus. End Quote.

Before you go quoting things on a public forum, I think that you need to do your homework and research correctly so that you can make an educated and well informed comment.

I have been involved in commercial surveillance since 1990. ISS have been carrying out surveillance training since 1999 (10 years), my instructors are former 14 Int, MI5 & RUC. Argus have been running courses for 2 years.

In 1998, I worked as a sub-contractor for Argus carrying out personal injury surveillance on and off for about 8 months - that was it. As I said, on and off for about 8 months as a sub contractor.

How you to come to the conclusion that I was 'trained by them' and 'branched out' I do not know.

Please get your facts right. It does not do the reputation of Brian and Nick at Argus any favours to make sly and off hand comments. It just smacks of un-professionalism.

If you want to discuss this, the office number is 01423 712265.

Peter Jenkins
ISS Training Ltd
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As i promised, i have carried out some checks and my source was inaccurate, so i have spoken to Peter and apologised to him personally and as i promised i would do it publicly. I wasn't speaking badly of anyone, but it was factually wrong. no malice intended!

Scotti
 
scotti that is very noble of you and takes a bigger man to admit they are wrong in my opinion than to just ignore the fact so damned good on you for that
 
annie said:
scotti that is very noble of you and takes a bigger man to admit they are wrong in my opinion than to just ignore the fact so damned good on you for that
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thank you annie, i don't normally get things wrong, but when i do, i'm old, bold and man enough to admit it! i just wont make a habit of it :)

Scotti
 
scotti653 said:
As i promised, i have carried out some checks and my source was inaccurate, so i have spoken to Peter and apologised to him personally and as i promised i would do it publicly. I wasn't speaking badly of anyone, but it was factually wrong. no malice intended!

Scotti
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Always good to apologise Scotti but with serious accusations, which it was, it would have been better to check first before posting then you wouldn't have to apologise.



Rich H
 
In response the the orriginal question I can highly recomend Anubis as a training provider for UK corporate work.

I have not done any CP trg with them but have trained / studied extensivly with them on the CSC course; their outlook, expertiese and methods of delivery are top notch - having trained with a number of providers in the fields of management, risk etc I have no hesitation in putting Anubis' team above that of seemingly bigger more flash companies.

The Anubis team are without a doubt subject matter experts, they are open about who they are, what they have done and encourage students to do their homework on them. They are not just top operators but also top teachers.
 
Rich H said:
Always good to apologise Scotti but with serious accusations, which it was, it would have been better to check first before posting then you wouldn't have to apologise.



Rich H
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all is taken on board, but I didn't actually accuse, that would infer intent rather than a genuine misunderstanding and i don't know anyone who checks the veracity of all the things they hear. i just believed it to be fact as it wasn't passed to me in any malice. It is a natural propensity to trust those in whom you have confidence.

Scotti
 
Blue Square Global

Hi Mate,

Before you commit to abooking your CP course check out Blue Square Global, a very good course with excellant instructors they also do a surveillance course.

I spent along time researching which company to do my CP and Surveillance and found BSG to offer the best value and content.

They are also an operational company and ive been able to secure some work with them.

Give damien a ring

Regards

John
 
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