Mountainman
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PHECTA - Who is the IPAT course accredited to?
What next after FAAW?
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ajshepherd
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Great thread, very informative. Thanks for the info.
I've been looking into doing this course for a while and when work clears up as winter approaches will probably sign up for it just for CPD
Level 4 Diploma Anatomy & Physiology :: Stonebridge
I, like many, am in this limbo state of being fairly knowledgeable and experienced within my remit and environment but am have not reached the golden threshold of registered paramedic.
Thought this course might be of interest as a) at £299 it won't break the bank and b) being web-based can be accessed when you are sitting in your cabin in some far flung place with only t'interweb to keep you sane.
I've also noticed with age that there is a common pattern to how we view professional development ( in any industry) we start off young and keen and it is all about the kit, then we realise we need training so go for the hardcore skills (think chest drains and cryco) , then finally realise that with all the kit and skills we either won't be allowed to do it or don't have the full knowledge to decide appropriately whether we should do it!
It won't make you a fully fledged Medic, it won't give you any cool skills training and it might not be of any interest to an employer but it might simply make you better at what you do.
They do a Level 3 diploma as well but I reckon the time I have spent with some crayons and these books have brought me up to this standard.
Level 4 Diploma Anatomy & Physiology :: Stonebridge
I, like many, am in this limbo state of being fairly knowledgeable and experienced within my remit and environment but am have not reached the golden threshold of registered paramedic.
Thought this course might be of interest as a) at £299 it won't break the bank and b) being web-based can be accessed when you are sitting in your cabin in some far flung place with only t'interweb to keep you sane.
I've also noticed with age that there is a common pattern to how we view professional development ( in any industry) we start off young and keen and it is all about the kit, then we realise we need training so go for the hardcore skills (think chest drains and cryco) , then finally realise that with all the kit and skills we either won't be allowed to do it or don't have the full knowledge to decide appropriately whether we should do it!
It won't make you a fully fledged Medic, it won't give you any cool skills training and it might not be of any interest to an employer but it might simply make you better at what you do.
They do a Level 3 diploma as well but I reckon the time I have spent with some crayons and these books have brought me up to this standard.
Other courses which may be of interest are:
NEBOSH - General Certificate
Open to anyone and considered the benchmark entry into H&S qualifications by UK based companies.
MIMMS - Major Incident Medical Management and Support
Targeted at HCPs but not a strict requirement as long as relevant experience or need can be justified, the title is self explanatory. This course is offered by Prometheus and Exmed amongst others.
Neither of these courses will add to your First Aid skills but:
NEBOSH - General Certificate
Open to anyone and considered the benchmark entry into H&S qualifications by UK based companies.
MIMMS - Major Incident Medical Management and Support
Targeted at HCPs but not a strict requirement as long as relevant experience or need can be justified, the title is self explanatory. This course is offered by Prometheus and Exmed amongst others.
Neither of these courses will add to your First Aid skills but:
- Demonstrate CPD
- Expand your knowledge and understanding of the 'bigger picture'
- Are transferable to other industries should CP work be thin on the ground
- Are recognised and accredited - going back to the OPs statement ref the value of some 'qualifications' - and also likely to be eligible for funding.
- Increase not only your employability but also your promotion potential.
Ladies and Gents,
Apologies if I am joining this thread late, I was replying to a very similar thread and it was suggested I also paste my answer here, so here goes, although I think TactMedic1 has summed it up.
Ladies and Gents,
I have contributed to this and similar threads and discussions several times on here and receive the same questions by email almost every day.
There have been some great responses from some seriosuly qualified and influencial people on the circuit but the whole message is often fragmented if you join the thread later on or miss a bit.
To that end, I put together a document which tries to outline and consolidate some of the steps, routes, options and industry terminology.
This is essentially to assist guys on the CP circuit pursue first aid and also for healthcare professionals seeking to work in CP.
It is by no means definitive (so if I have missed your company off, it is not because you are the competition, merely to keep the focus on the route - I have included some of the big players to give context).
Many contributors to this thread are focussed on UK Medical work and again, this article doesn´t address routes to HPC registration etc (but I may include that in the next version), as the UK medical scene is a different game to the international CP/Med Circuit.
It is not a formal document, so please don´t hang me, it´s meant to assist guys who don´t know where to start and are baffled by the maze of acronyms etc. A basis for discussion if you like.
All the best
M4MED
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Apologies if I am joining this thread late, I was replying to a very similar thread and it was suggested I also paste my answer here, so here goes, although I think TactMedic1 has summed it up.
Ladies and Gents,
I have contributed to this and similar threads and discussions several times on here and receive the same questions by email almost every day.
There have been some great responses from some seriosuly qualified and influencial people on the circuit but the whole message is often fragmented if you join the thread later on or miss a bit.
To that end, I put together a document which tries to outline and consolidate some of the steps, routes, options and industry terminology.
This is essentially to assist guys on the CP circuit pursue first aid and also for healthcare professionals seeking to work in CP.
It is by no means definitive (so if I have missed your company off, it is not because you are the competition, merely to keep the focus on the route - I have included some of the big players to give context).
Many contributors to this thread are focussed on UK Medical work and again, this article doesn´t address routes to HPC registration etc (but I may include that in the next version), as the UK medical scene is a different game to the international CP/Med Circuit.
It is not a formal document, so please don´t hang me, it´s meant to assist guys who don´t know where to start and are baffled by the maze of acronyms etc. A basis for discussion if you like.
All the best
M4MED
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Mountainman
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Nice one mate. Well done! 
I'm a UK Firefighter (exmob) looking to enhance my medical skills from FAAW "with a few job related add on's" to become an EMT, are the LIFESKILLSMEDICAL and PHECTA EMT courses worth the paper they're printed for my role as a Firefighter?
I am sure in a few years we'll see Fire Service Ambulances within the UK just like the US, but I'm keen to start now as my local area has lost its ambulance station and the attendance for one has increaed to 45 minutes on a good day. (I'm not sure how the NHS fudged the figures but those are the real times) After all whats the point of saving a life just to watch them die while waiting for the cavelry... and just a side note, in Wales casualties are now aloud to be put in the back of fire engines (and have done already)when they become time critical,to get them to hospital if an ambulance can't arrive in time.
I am sure in a few years we'll see Fire Service Ambulances within the UK just like the US, but I'm keen to start now as my local area has lost its ambulance station and the attendance for one has increaed to 45 minutes on a good day. (I'm not sure how the NHS fudged the figures but those are the real times) After all whats the point of saving a life just to watch them die while waiting for the cavelry... and just a side note, in Wales casualties are now aloud to be put in the back of fire engines (and have done already)when they become time critical,to get them to hospital if an ambulance can't arrive in time.
M4MED, thanks for the PDF document, it answered many questions.
I have contacted AREMT to ask about equivalency of my Army qualification but have not heard back. Which organisation in the UK would be the best to approach to ask the same thing?
My current quals are mostly EMT-I (IV Therapy and Narcotic Drug admin etc) with bits of Remote area medic (sickness/illness) but no Automated defib, and we have to re-cert every year. Is it fair to compare standards between your listed courses by the hours of training?
I understand well the Scope of Practice and protocol limitations you talk about in your doc as we operate under a ridged set, so if one did not want to function as a Medical professional lets say in the middle east, but as a CPO 'team medic' , then would such quals as IVT etc be necessary? Better to just focus on a pre hospital emergency practitioner type training?
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I have contacted AREMT to ask about equivalency of my Army qualification but have not heard back. Which organisation in the UK would be the best to approach to ask the same thing?
My current quals are mostly EMT-I (IV Therapy and Narcotic Drug admin etc) with bits of Remote area medic (sickness/illness) but no Automated defib, and we have to re-cert every year. Is it fair to compare standards between your listed courses by the hours of training?
I understand well the Scope of Practice and protocol limitations you talk about in your doc as we operate under a ridged set, so if one did not want to function as a Medical professional lets say in the middle east, but as a CPO 'team medic' , then would such quals as IVT etc be necessary? Better to just focus on a pre hospital emergency practitioner type training?
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the NWAS and the Welsh Ambulance Trust do the FBoS too, I have yet to do it and I am getting mine for a discounted rate as a member of the Royal British Legion Riders Branch. For those of you who don't know the FBoS stands for First Biker on Scene and is centred around bike incidents. I've heard from many former RAMC guys that this is a very worth while course for anyone of any medic level... it might not get you that next job but it can be put down as CPD and if your a biker it could be your riding buddy that you help save.
(especially those from MC's as non of you like to talk to the old bill do ya.)
(especially those from MC's as non of you like to talk to the old bill do ya.)
Just a note on the OEMS course with DMI, I did it a few years ago. ITs mega!!!
The DMI boys are a good crck too!!
As the industry gets tighter and tighter for jobs, many it seems are looking to get more qualified and make themselves more employable. And who wouldn't? The medical path is what many seem to take but the courses as stated by Tacmedic1 there are so many out there it could be difficult to distinguish the good from the gash.
However, i also urge you think why you want the qualification. Are you just needing a quick fix and something to bulk up your CV or are you actually wanting to go into patient care?
I may seem like a weird question, but as a Paramedic who started off as a remote medic i have seen my fair share of Walters on the circuit and also in the offshore environment. The ones with all the badges and bit of kit hanging off them. Lots of the 'Guicci" kit that is actually way outside their scope of practise.
If youre serious about being a medic, then look hard at a course that is ran an operate by like minded professionals who have the patient at the for front of there reason for doing this job. Look for actually hands on patient time as you will need it when the time comes. Theory is great but putting that into practise for real will separate you from being that Dr House wannabe and a outright professional.
The medical industry is a constantly changing environment an you will never stop having to study. Its never a one of course, its the building block to a never ending educational system.
So in summary, do it for the right reason as when the time comes to do it for real, your comrades, co-workers and friends will be looking to you to fix the problem. And you better be on your A game !
However, i also urge you think why you want the qualification. Are you just needing a quick fix and something to bulk up your CV or are you actually wanting to go into patient care?
I may seem like a weird question, but as a Paramedic who started off as a remote medic i have seen my fair share of Walters on the circuit and also in the offshore environment. The ones with all the badges and bit of kit hanging off them. Lots of the 'Guicci" kit that is actually way outside their scope of practise.
If youre serious about being a medic, then look hard at a course that is ran an operate by like minded professionals who have the patient at the for front of there reason for doing this job. Look for actually hands on patient time as you will need it when the time comes. Theory is great but putting that into practise for real will separate you from being that Dr House wannabe and a outright professional.
The medical industry is a constantly changing environment an you will never stop having to study. Its never a one of course, its the building block to a never ending educational system.
So in summary, do it for the right reason as when the time comes to do it for real, your comrades, co-workers and friends will be looking to you to fix the problem. And you better be on your A game !
Merit Training
Longterm Registered User
Hi,
We offer the AREMT paramedic here in Ireland. Looking at your qualifications, you are already working as an ALS medic using your EMT-I. We would be able to APEL some of your training and get you into our Offshore Paramedic course.
Most of that is online. You would need to come to Ireland to for two weeks of exams and training once you finish the online stuff. After that we need 4 weeks of clinicals that you can sort out with your own work or use our placements in the UK, EU and South Africa.
PM me or there is more information on our website.
Cheers
I was with you until you mentioned 1. An approved EMT course taught by either an NHS Trust or University. So I read on and I could see were you were going, a good Civilian Paramedic does indeed not make a good FPOS (I) instructor, this I am making as a generalisation as I don’t want to tie everyone with the same brush. The FPOS (I) Course if taught by the right person's with the right background is the right course for a CP Operator. Yet it must tick the right boxes. Unfortunately it’s all about the location and the cost to the individual. The training provider should give the standard package as laid down by Edexcel and IHCD, It should contain an add on package for those who deploy to more hostile locations.
I think it’s good that we have these discussions as it makes the operators more a wear of what to look for when making that most important choice of provider, if it is a Edexcel Centre then all the Trainers backgrounds on the course can be confirmed as the Provider has to conform to the required Audits on an annual basis, I’m sure you are a wear of this process when a external verifiers come in to the company and goes through all the Trainers Qualifications, CPD, HSE, and most of all is that course fit for purpose and should it continue to allow centre approval.
I also agree with you they are a lot of Walters out there training people when we know they should not be. Stay Safe. K
I think it’s good that we have these discussions as it makes the operators more a wear of what to look for when making that most important choice of provider, if it is a Edexcel Centre then all the Trainers backgrounds on the course can be confirmed as the Provider has to conform to the required Audits on an annual basis, I’m sure you are a wear of this process when a external verifiers come in to the company and goes through all the Trainers Qualifications, CPD, HSE, and most of all is that course fit for purpose and should it continue to allow centre approval.
I also agree with you they are a lot of Walters out there training people when we know they should not be. Stay Safe. K
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Siegfried1
Full Registered User
Next year I'm going to make an EMT-B. Think I'll choose PPA_International. I've only heard good things about them ( well reputation, a lot of practice fewer theory)
It's my first training in this industry. Until now I've only make a first responder during my army time.
What would you reccomend next after the EMT training?
It's my first training in this industry. Until now I've only make a first responder during my army time.
What would you reccomend next after the EMT training?
charliealpha
New Member
hi, I would like to progress along the route as laid out in the first post. What is the experiance that would be accepted to be employed on jobs/contracts in order to gain the relevant experiance before progressing?
Is is best to go along the CP along with all the rest of the ex mil guys and hope that I can get work to develop my skills in order to progress? are there other ways of gaining the experiance required.
If anyone can point out relevant posts if this has been covered before or if you have any words of wisdom to direct me that would be great.
Is is best to go along the CP along with all the rest of the ex mil guys and hope that I can get work to develop my skills in order to progress? are there other ways of gaining the experiance required.
If anyone can point out relevant posts if this has been covered before or if you have any words of wisdom to direct me that would be great.